Another look at Mets’ woeful pitching.

ESPN had an interesting post when it examined the starting rotations of the NL East teams. They still have Johan Santana listed as No. 1, which is puzzling.

What I found most interesting is that every team’s No. 3 starter would qualify as the Mets’ No. 1.

Edwin Jackson is reportedly on his way to Washington, where he’s the projected third starter behind Stephen Strasburg and Gio Gonzalez. The Braves’ No. 3 is Tommy Hanson. Miami’s third starter is Ricky Nolasco and Philadelphia’s is Cole Hamels.

The Mets’ projected rotation is Santana, R.A. Dickey, Jon Niese, Mike Pelfrey and Dillon Gee.

It’s all about pitching and this is a grim reminder of the Mets’ status.

8 thoughts on “Another look at Mets’ woeful pitching.

  1. John, posted a chunk of this in the “What would success be to the 2012 Mets?” post, but it really fits here as well. Sorry for the double reposes to two different postings.

    I don’t get it the issues everyone seems to have with the Mets starting rotation. While it might be the weakest in the Division (something that is not a definite by the way. If Josh Johnson cannot return from his injury and stays on the shelf I think it’s better than the Marlins’) it’s not a WEAKNESS.

    You don’t know what you will get from Santana, but you might be looking at the type of pitcher David Cone became after he was unable to blow fastballs past hitters in the latter part of his career. Many have said that 70% of Johan Santana is still going to be be better than a large chunk of other pitchers.

    R. A. Dickey has had two straight solid seasons. His breakout 2010 was followed up with a nice 2011 where he had career bests in starts, ininngs and strike outs. His 3.28 ERA was 12th best in the NL. He keeps the Mets in games he pitches and his ERA over the last two seasons is 3.08.

    Jonathan Niese has been solid the last two years when healthy and has a lot of upside that could see him in this rotation for a long time, even when the young promising arms of Harvey and Wheeler get to town. He’s a craft lefty who throws in the 90s, strikes out hitters and doesn’t walk many, while getting a nice amount of groundballs. With a good defense behind him it’s not out of the question for Niese to have a breakout 2012.

    Dillon Gee had a solid start to his rookie season, but faded in the last third of the season. He went 13-6 with a 4.43 ERA but at the end of June was 8-1 with a 3.32 ERA and at the end of July was 10-3 with a 3.69 ERA. He had a rough Sept but showed a lot of promise and poise. He had 114 strike-outs in 160.2 innings but did walk 71. If he can cut those walks down his upside can be high.

    Mike Pelfry is an enigma. His last four seasons he has teetered back and forth between strong and infurating. In 2008 he went 13-11 with a 3.72 ERA. He had a great second half that year and 2009 looked promising, however he stumbled with a 10-12 record and a rough 5.03 ERA. Then in 2010 he bounced right back and had a great season in which he went 15-9 with a 3.66 ERA and at one point in June and July was without doubt the Mets best pitcher. Then in 2011 he dropped back again going 7-13 with a 4.74 ERA. At times he’s dominating and other times he’s maddening. This really is the “now or never” year for him I think. Which Pelfrey will the Mets get? If it’s the 2008 or 2010 model He’s a potenial #2. If it’s the 2009 or 2011 model he’s at best a #4 and likely more a #5.

    The entire NL East has a lot of quality pitching in it. The Mets may not be near top or even the mmiddle, but this notion their rotation is terrible makes no sense.

  2. And this notion that Ricky Nolasco and Edwin Jackon would be the Mets best starter is absurd.

    I’m sorry, but the total lack of respect the media and most fans have for the Mets is ridiculous. It’s not just this year, it’s been in prior years as well.

    It’s like, the Marlins have finished under .500 the last two years, but suddenly they sign Reyes, Heath Bell and Mark Buehlre and they are playoff contenders?

    Meanwhile the Mets will be lucky to win over 70 games?

    I don’t see it. By no means is this a team you would expect to go to the playoffs, but by no means is it a disaster either.

  3. Pat(2)

    John is right. Our rotation is a disaster. Our pitchers have 4.5+ ERA. That is terrible.

    You can assume nothing with Santana. He is a warrior, but really, he came off major surgery.

    Pelfrey is done. I used to think he was good, that he had talent. He has talent but has no clue. He is a number 4 or 5 pitcher.

    For all our offense, half of it walked out the door last year. How many strike outs will we have?

    The likely scenario is we fight for last place.

  4. Did I mention we don’t have a rotation that can make it out of the 6th with regularity? Our pen will be useless after the all star break. Same as last year and the year before that and the year before that…

  5. I don’t know Dave… you could be right… maybe the glasses I’m wearing have too much of a rose tint to them… but I think this rotation has some good talent and calling them a disaster isn’t fitting in my opinion. Listen, they don’t stack up against the Phillies or Braves by a long shot… or really the Nats much either… but I think they are as good as the Marlins staff, especially if Josh Johnson isn’t Josh Johnson. (If he is, he’s better than anyone the Mets have, but I’m not convinced the Marlins #2 thru #5 is any better than the Mets.)

    Again, I’m not really saying they rotation is a sure thing… I just do not think they are the total worthless mess most seem to think. I could be wrong. I guess we’ll know in a few months. LOL.

  6. It is reported that SNY is buying $80M worth of a minority stake in the Mets ( its parent ). So the financial shell game has begun in earnest.

  7. Pat(6)

    You may be right. Perhaps John may have been over-reaching in his characterization.

    However, regardless of how the Mets stack up against its immediate competition in the east their rotation is a mess. Their ERA is terrible and they do not have the skills or stamina to be starting pitchers.

    I define a starter who can keep his team competitive into the 7th game in game out. The pen should only be called on in the 8th or 9th.

    I know this seems to go against the norm in todays game, but really. Our pitchers are really long relief guys in disguise. I cannot speak for other teams as I do not watch them.