Quit the charade and say good-bye to Reyes.

If the Mets are to become the team hoped for them, general manager Sandy Alderson has some tough decisions to make in the coming months and years, and it begins with Jose Reyes.

REYES: Let him slide on out of here.

And, that decision is to say good-bye to Reyes now and quit the charade.

If history is an indicator this process will get drawn out by Reyes and his agents to drive up the bidding price the Mets already know they won’t meet.

The Mets know what their price is – Alderson calls it “our choking point,’’ – and it is no where the money offered Carl Crawford and Jayson Werth, players who wilted this summer under the weight of their wallets.

Unless they are counting on a hometown discount from Reyes – which won’t happen – the Mets already know their shortstop is gone. For public relations purposes Alderson won’t say so, at least not before the Mets’ exclusive negotiating window opens five days after the World Series.

But, we know it is true and Alderson is posturing. We know the Mets will offer a credible offer in comparison to Reyes’ past performance, injury history and prospect he’ll break down long before his contract expires.

We also know Reyes is in it for the money and about himself – his self-serving act of backing out of the batting race at .337 tells you what you need to know – and he will jump at somebody else’s through-the-roof offer.

San Francisco, Boston and Philadelphia (assuming Jimmy Rollins leaves) will be in need of a shortstop and have the money. San Francisco and Boston, particularly, are desperate to make splashes after their disappointing seasons.

The Mets won’t compete financially with them, and can’t compete with them as far as immediate postseason prospects are concerned.

The way Reyes left the season finale was reminiscent of how LeBron James stripped off his Cleveland Cavaliers’ jersey before getting into the locker room. James was gone and the free-agent process was for show. It’s the same with Reyes and the Mets should make a take-it-or-leave-it proposal with a deadline and move on.

They don’t need to dance with Reyes; don’t need to let him hold all the cards.

Reyes can be a dynamic player when he wants to be, which he was at times during his walk year. No surprise there, is it?

Even so, Reyes missed 36 games with two stints on the disabled list. He hasn’t played a full season in the last three. In nine seasons, he’s played in at least 150 games just four times.

Reyes is a speed player, yet hasn’t stolen 50 bases in three years. He barely made an attempt when he came off the DL, and that was to stay healthy for the market. His career on-base percentage is .341, mediocre at best for a leadoff hitter with his projected production. He still strikes out more than he should, walks less than the prolific leadoff hitters, gives away too many at-bats and has lapses in the field and on the bases.

Reyes has always been more about potential than production, and you have to wonder if this year was all about the contract and he’ll regress again after he gets what he wants. Based on his history, it isn’t hard to project he’ll break down during this next contract, whether it be seven, six or five years, all which have been speculated and are all too excessive.

He should get no more than $85 million over four years, which will be denied. The Mets already have $55 million in salary commitments in 2012 to Johan Santana, David Wright and Jason Bay. Add $20 million for Reyes and you have $75 million of the Mets’ projected budget of $110 million tied into four players.

Never mind winning, you can’t compete with such an unbalanced payroll.

For all those Reyes apologists out there that say the Mets will be nothing without him, ask yourself where they are now. What have the Mets won with Reyes?

The Mets are five years removed from their last playoff appearance. They are a sub-.500 team over the last three seasons and have been below .500 in five of Reyes’ nine years with the team. Sure, he’s been injured much of those five years, but that’s not an argument for him as much as it is one that he’ll break down again.

Alderson does have some tough decisions to make, but come to think of it, keeping Reyes isn’t one of them.

It is time to say good-bye. Time to quit fooling around and start rebuilding this team for good.

60 thoughts on “Quit the charade and say good-bye to Reyes.

  1. nicely played…the hardest player to strike out in ALL OF MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL THIS SEASON still strikes out too much? Keep up the great work, John. Your reporting is second to none.

  2. I said it the second he took himself out of the game. He doesn’t care about you, me, or the Mets as a franchise. He cares about his pocket and his batting title.

    The Mets fans that praise the selfish move by Reyes are the same ones that beg for this team to have a “leader”.

    I don’t expect him back, if he comes back, I hope its for a reasonable price and I wish him well but 2011 proved 1 thing to me… when Reyes’ $ is on the line he thinks about Reyes. He just so happens to have a career year, he takes himself out of a game for a batting title when it could be his last as a Met… all add up to 1 thing.

    Jose Reyes playing SS in Washington.

  3. Reyes K rate went down significantly this eyar.

    You can argue that he benefited from a very high BABIP, but his Ks went down and he did work deeper counts.

  4. @gerberger

    “the hardest player to strike out in ALL OF MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL THIS SEASON”

    Wrong.

    Juan Pierre had fewer K’s per plate appearances. Maybe before you rush to insult somebody you should check your facts.

  5. I think there are certainly arguments for letting Reyes go. Not that you want to punish a guy for having a great year, but the fact that Reyes had a career yr this yr makes things a bit dicey…I’m not convinced he’s a .870 OPS guy since he has no track record of doing that…but b/c he did that this yr, you might have to pay him for that production which he might not repeat. The injuries of course are also a big issue. I used to argue that the “Reyes is injury prone” talk was vastly exaggerated, but he’s been proving me wrong with that. I am mixed on whether he should be back…depends on the $$.

    But I think you are going a bit overboard in some of the critiques. First, he doesn’t K much at all. And second, using “50 steals” as some kind of criteria. First off, SBs are probably overrated as is…but expecting a guy to steal 50 is a lot. Nothing wrong with him stealing 30-40 .

    • NYM (4): I don’t want to punish a guy for a good year, and he’s deserving of an extension. I just don’t believe it should be over five years because of his injury history. It has been three years since he’s played a complete season, and that is more than noteworthy.

      Regarding the strikeouts, he did improve greatly in that this season, but it is the only time in nine years where he’s drawn more walks than strikeouts. That hardly qualifies as a trend. As far stealing bases, this is a guy who stole over 60 several times. So, when he’s on his game, 50 isn’t that much. I will even give you 40 steals, and he’s three years behind in that, too. The fact is Reyes took it easy on the bases after returning from the disabled list the second time, and that doesn’t just include steals. Here’s a guy who says he makes his living with his legs and he’s not running. That must turn some heads.-JD

  6. John

    You made a very good argument for why he should not be back. Most likely this is what the team will say in negotiations.

    I cannot argue with what you say because it is true. He is a special player when he is on. However he has always gotten out at a rate he should not. He frequently wants to hit the ball out of the park because he can. But he should be a line drive hitter which he was this year.

    I agree that he should steal more. That is what makes him scary. Not hitting 15-20 HR’s, but getting on base and driving the pitcher crazy.

    I have been back and forth on him all year. In the end as much as I like him when he is on he is too injured and has his lapses to be paid as a premier player.

    He is a very good player, but is not a special player.

    You bring up the other players that are a holdover from the previous GM and we should get rid of them too.

    We should build around Ike, Duda and the others.

    We need to build a pitching staff. We probably have to wait a few years for ours to grow up. That means Mejia, Harvey, Familia, Wheeler.

    We have a couple of young guys now, but most likely they are just 3/4/5 type of pitchers.

  7. gerberger (1): I will concede Reyes made great strides in that area, but I attribute that to it being his walk year. Last season he was not the the hardest to strikeout, but he made marked improvement in that area. For his career, Reyes has 509 strikeouts compared to 333 walks, an average of 79-51 when he comes up empty. You’re looking for one thing to refute my argument and you jumped on strikeouts, where you were still mistaken. The big picture says the Mets have not won with him, so why after nine years are they going to win with him now? Time to cut the cord.-JD

  8. Donal (3): There is no dispute to his k-BB ratio this year, but I look at it as being a product of his walk hear. And, who is to say he would have kept that up had he played an entire season? He never had in the past.-JD

  9. dave (3): The Mets are a few years away. Would it be better off to build around young talent and have them develop rather than go another three years of an erratic Reyes. Afterall, there are no assurances, he’ll play like 2011 for the next four years. Time to rebuild all the way.-JD

  10. I am all about keeping the team together when they all have a team mentality. Reyes gave up that right when he said I am done for thr season after the batting title was locked.
    As poorly has Bay has hit he woke up here and there and it was always a team ideal with him. he did and hit where ever they put him.
    same goes for wright and tejada and every other player..
    Like Endy .. i dont want to see Reyes go, but we need a new and healthy team..

  11. I definitely agree about letting Reyes go. I attribute most of his success to this being his walk year. I have significant doubts that he will reproduce the results of this year, even counting the games missed on the DL. And when the Mets are ready to compete a few years down the line, what will Reyes bring to the table then? Will he still be elite? I think not.

    One more comment about the steals: I care less about the steals than I do about hitting triples. Triples are almost as good as a HR (if there are men on base). Plus, they’re exciting. And if there are less than two outs and we have guys capable of producing a sac fly, a run can be scored. If Reyes steals 30 bases and hits 20+ triples, I’d say he’s a very valuable speed player. You can’t measure a speed player on just steals alone.

  12. One of the biggest hacks in the business rides again…stating the obvious and not very well at that. Nice first sentence, John: “If the Mets are to become the team hoped for them . . .” What style!

  13. I don’t necessarily agree with you, but everybody is entitled to their opinion. One factual error, though — the exclusive negotiation window CLOSES five days after the World Series, not “opens” as you said.

  14. Great article and I agree the Mets should not resign Jose Reyes. I also strongly believe the Mets should trade David Wright to Colorado for a slew of young pitchers centered around Drew Pomeranz. Not only would it free up some payroll and help out the rotation and farm system but it would open up a spot for Daniel Murphy. Murph cant turn the double play well enough to be a second basemen and third is his natural position. Its time to cut ties with our “star” players and begin the rebuilding process so the team becomes better over the long term.

  15. Lets get rid of the author of this dribble instead. Get a real job and stop with this kind of articles thank you see you at the unemployment office . lol

  16. John,

    I agree with most of your argument with a slight caveat. What if the mets offer reyes a 5 yr deal worth 85 million dollars and a 6th year team option for $15 million with 3 million buyout and REYES TAKES IT. Do you still feel we should cut the cord or do you feel its a fair offer for both

    Varun

  17. I am so sick of the bs saying that reyes is all about the money and he is a selfish player. The guy has done nothing but work his butt off for the mets for his whole career. SO what that he took himself out of the game to win a batting title. Everyone in history has done this except for Ted Williams.

    Not signing Reyes will be the biggest mistake the Mets have made since Tom Seaver.I cannot wait till they do not sign him and we see what this team is like without him. Have fun with that.

  18. I think your assessment of Reyes is way too harsh. Reyes is a happy-go-lucky guy and doesn’t have the killer instinct of players like Utley and Rollins. He is injury prone, and even slight injuries sideline him because he is a speed guy and the way his body is built. Once in a while he can put on a mopey face. But I see a lot of players who dog it or don’t work hard and Reyes seems the farthest thing from that. He is popular with Mets fans — a very tough crowd — because he gives them hope whenever he is on the field.

    As for wanting to win the batting title and get the best $$ he can — yes, John, there is a Santa Claus. Are there players who don’t want these things? You sound like you’re still living in the age of Frank Merriwell. I think Reyes made a mistake of judgment in sitting down after his last AB but to suggest that he hasn’t shown commitment to the team in the years he’s been in NY just seems wrong. Sure, let him go if he doesn’t sign quickly but let’s not rewrite hidtory and deny that, while in NY, he brought so much joy to Mets fans.

  19. It’s amazing that we are even having this conversation. If this was happening on the other side of town, there would be no question the Yanks would do everything in their financial ability to keep Reyes. Instead, we are a big market team, but can’t afford our own players. Sad.

    Don’t be surprised to see Reyes wearing pinstripes for the next 7 years.

  20. Wow! Your writing style is parallel to Mike Francessa. Stating your opinions as facts:

    “We also know Reyes is in it for the money and about himself – his self-serving act of backing out of the batting race at .337 tells you what you need to know – and he will jump at somebody else’s through-the-roof offer.”

    All that based on one act in a meaningless game? Wow you must be nostradamus or something. Let’s leave out the how important the batting title is to Mets history and Reyes hometown because, you know, we wouldn’t want to contradict your extremely biased opinion.

    “The way Reyes left the season finale was reminiscent of how LeBron James stripped off his Cleveland Cavaliers’ jersey before getting into the locker room.”

    Swing and a miss.

    “Reyes is a speed player.”

    This is so overblown by NY media. Take a away his handful of bunt singles, some infield hits, and downgrade most of his triples to doubles and he’s still a fantastic hitter. Also, the stolen base is probably the least valueable of his tools.

  21. Paul(24)
    This is so overblown by NY media. Take a away his handful of bunt singles, some infield hits, and downgrade most of his triples to doubles and he’s still a fantastic hitter. Also, the stolen base is probably the least valueable of his tools.

    I wouldn’t go that far. He is a good hitter. Usually he wants to hit it out which screws him up. This year he hit for avg and choose not to go for the HR. He is a much better hitter that way.

    In the past too often he wanted to be the hero and tried for the HR only to strike out or pop out. If you take away his speed as you say he is not a fantastic hitter. He will not beat it out for a single or stretch a double into a triple. He won’t drive the pitcher crazy while he is on base.

    I also disagree with your last statement. The stolen base is a crucial part of his toolset. Pitchers and catchers worry about him. They focus on him rather than the hitter in the box.

  22. After reading this post all I can say is wow just wow. For the Mets not to do all they can to sign Reyes would be foolish and outright stupid on their part. I mean he should be part of the solution and not part of the problem. I mean there would be a line around the block to get Reyes on the FA market. Just imagine him in Philly or Boston, that would make any Met fan sick. I mean what grude do you have for the guy anyway. Selfish? ok what is wrong with wanting to win a batting title (never done by any MET) when the team has been long eliminated AND it was the last game of the year. Secondly, I dont ever begrudge and athlete to make as much as possible with thier limited career span. If he gets an offer from another team that blows the Mets offer out of the water so be it. Would most do it in that situation. I know I would leave my job is another gave me a significant raise.
    Sure he has had injuries in the past but whos to say he wouldnt morph into a RBI type guy as he gets older into his 30′s. I agree with some other posters that 50+ SB is overrated. It is cute but not necessary.

    The idea of losing Reyes and possibly trading Wright in the same offseason could be a disaster because who in the organization is exactly going to replace that loss of production and if so how long will that take 3-5 years or more? How patient/happy would Mets fans truly be if that happened? How would they spin selling the fanbase on the 2012 season? Hey we might be good in 2014?

  23. I hope he stays put. Period.

    He is a great personality and a great ballplayer.

    He belongs as does Wright.

    Everything else is to fill columns and trash talk. Not one person writing here has ever even stolen a base.

    Lets GO Mets! Blue and Orange 4 Life

  24. if you’re going to spend $20 million a year. I’d rather it be spent on someone who can deliver consistently and isn’t injury prone. Johan Santana is hasn’t pitched in 2 years and that’s $40 mm in the toilet. The Red Sox i’m sure wish they spent the money they did on Crawford more carefully. I can see a guaranteed 35 HR, 110 RBI guy making that kind of money, but not a lead off hitter.

  25. This criticism of Reyes is WAAAAYYYY too harsh. He is injury prone, yes, but the fact is he is one of, if not the best, leadoff hitters in all of baseball. Take out ’03-’05 seasons and all of a sudden his career OBP is .354, pretty good, not elite, but pretty good. When he is on, he is so exciting to watch and there is not a team in baseball who wouldn’t take him.

    That aside though, I have kind of emotionally divested myself from Reyes. Would it be great to keep him? Sure. Though the reality is the money would be better spent elsewhere and the farm system needs to be rebuilt so may as well save $20 million annually and get a couple of picks.

    Losing Reyes sets the team back in the short run, but it also frees up money to lock up people like Davis and Niese in future years (Or even make the inevitable cutting of Bay a bit more palatable)

  26. wow you are a fucking moron…im not saying the mets should throw 7 years at him or anything but i have never heard a stupider and more biased opinion….what reyes taking himself out of the last game of the season SHOWED is that he is just like every other player…any of them that said they would have gone in are full of shit….ty cobb sat out 3 whole games to win a batting title – was ty cobb not an oldschool tough player….go blow a yankee dick

  27. The big picture says the Mets have not won with him, so why after nine years are they going to win with him now? Time to cut the cord-

    it took the brooklyn dodgers ten years to win w/ robinson…but i guess by your accord, the dodgers should have given him his walking papers in 55…afterall, they hadnt won w/ him in 9 years….

    this is WHY youre a fucking moron

  28. This a remarkably short-sighted post by someone who knows a lot about baseball and the Mets. Reyes is among the top 5 homegrown players ever developed by the Mets who ended up spending an appreciable time with the team. He’s getting better. He’s 28. He plays an irreplaceable position. He’s worth the re-signing, and they should build around him.

    I dunno, it seems that for whatever reasons, you don’t like Jose Reyes personally – or his style or something. Lebron James??!! Please, that’s just gratuitous slap against a fine player who brings the real light of enthusiasm to his game. It says more about your feelings that about Jose Reyes.

  29. You make a great argument. Reyes is not the first player to take himself out of a game to protect a batting title. Bernie Williams did it in 1998 and no one said anything. But the other points you make are on the mark. You are also correct to point out the Mets have won nothing with Reyes. It reminds me of the story Ralph Kiner often told during broadcasts. He had led the Pirates in home runs and wanted a raise. Branch Rickey told him “Ralph, we finished in last place with you, we can finish in last place without you”. I love Jose but unfortunately Rickey’s words apply to Reyes too. Great article.

  30. “Would it be better to build around young talent?”

    lol …
    Reyes IS young talent!!

    Reyes = “good but not special”

    What do you say to that? Reyes’ game changing abilities are the DEFINITION of special … please I can’t take much more of this sort of wisdom.

    You don’t give up players of Reyes’ caliber … not in the planet’s #1 Baseball market.

    Bottom line — THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT AT SS!

  31. Simmer down a bit with the Reyes negativity. First, everything should be evaluated relative to other SS. Second the Reyes decision needs to part of a bigger plan. If you’re suggesting Reyes go to build for the future I assume you also advise D Wright & Pelfrey be traded. I see the Mets in a better position to let Wright & Pelfrey be used for trade bait to return young talent to reset the team’s “arbitration clock”. Wright can be replaced by Murphy with less drop off than Reyes by Tejada. I’d rather see both Wright & Reyes play elsewhere so their $$$ could be used to sign Fielder, move Ike to RF (where he played for USA Baseball because of Smoak)and hopefully get a good young pitcher that can contribute in 2012/2013 for Wright. In that context I agree with letting Reyes go. But lacking sweeping change that results in a reasonable contender in 2012, I say Reyes is more valuable than Wright & I would pay him with the $$ saved by trading Wright & let Murphy play 3B, hit .300 with 10 HRs and 40 doubles, and keep him away from 2B where his lack of quickness keeps getting him hurt.

  32. I’m no baseball expert but I truly believe we have to sign Reyes, where the hell are we gonna find his replacement?! 28 yr old shortstop with a power arm, steals bases and blazing speed that can turn doubles into triples and put the team ahead early in games. I’m seeing all of this “what have the mets done with Reyes that they can’t do without him” well last time I checked Reyes wasn’t playing left field and not producing, Reyes wasnt playing 1st base and injured his knee on a ridiculous collision and he wasnt playing third this season and fractured his back. Reyes will have suitors this season for big money bcuz of his talents, or else he wouldn’t sought after.

  33. Now, as for all these people complaining about Reyes getting 1 hit and sitting down on the last game of the season. What’s the big deal?!!! He did not invent that, it has been done plenty of times before . Reyes does it and all hell breaks loose unbelievable. I would definitely trade Wright to the Rockies specially if they start with with Pomeranz, but I wouldnt give him away. All in all I’m confident in Alderson he has good baseball people around him and we’ll be relevant again sooner rather than later.

  34. Lets give him some credit, he figured it out this year, stopped trying to hit homeruns, rarely struck out, and playes an excellent shortstop.

    I am betting this will be the norm the rest of his career.

    The most overblown thing in the history of the worls is him taking himself out of that game.

    I have been watching Reyes play for many years, and he is a team player.

    The game was meaningless, just something for people to go off on him for.

  35. oldmantrash
    Totally agree about Reyes being team guy. It’s wrong to equate him leaving the game on the last game of the season or historical lack of plate discipline with selfishness. Reyes is a top tier SS and even if Tejada is very good he isn’t “Reyes good”. Reyes should be signed if he will sign for a reasonable contract, 5 years or less.

  36. The reason people or at least I as a Met fan are upset is because he took himself out of what most likely was his last game as a Met, and then he came out afterwards and essentially said he didn’t care because he wanted to gain this personal achievement. That is the only real problem I have with what went down, it was bush league.

  37. could you blame him if he leaves? the team is a constant mess since 2006. this team has more drama than the shows my girlfriend watches on tv like real housewives of jersey. it would break my heart if he leaves, but the mets are a big market team and never should be in this position to begin with – period. if he leaves it is the fault of the owners for allowing the mets to be in this mess in the first place. shame on the wilpons for wrecking the mets. it starts from the top.

  38. The backlash from the last game is ridiculous. Of all the people in Reyes’ position (leading the batting title race by a few points against a non-teammate, in a meaningless game), virtually ALL of them have had their playing time dictated by their average. Derek Jeter’s let his average dictating his playing time FIVE TIMES in his career (Coming out in 2008 so he didn’t lose his .300 average; and this year, he removed himself once hitting .300 was impossible).

    Other guys who’ve done it: Bill Mueller, Bernie Williams, Terry Pendleton, George Brett, Carney Lansford, Tim Raines, Bill Madlock, Griffey Sr. (Also, the Ted Williams story is BS, he was NEVER in a position where making an out would lose his .400 average).

    It doesn’t show that a player is “selfish” — eight of those nine guys have World Series rings (12 World Series titles and 21 pennants) — it shows that they are COMPETITIVE and want to win at anything possible. Even batting average titles. Like Derek Jeter says: “Baseball, board games, Jeopardy, whatever, I want to win.”

    We should resign Reyes because he’s a very good baseball player, very difficult to replace, and good enough to win a batting title.

  39. Here’s a fun game: Find the last player in Reyes’ position (leading the race, meaningless game, making an out would probably lose him the batting title) who played the whole game.

    I think the last guy who did it was Mickey Vernon of the 1953 Washington Senators (and he was the only 1B on the roster and played every inning).

  40. Reyes isn’t going anywhere I truly believe that, he’s stated in numerous occasions that he loves being a met and wants to finish his career with them. The mets aren’t fools they see that attendance is down and tv ratings also are down, if they let Reyes go it’s gonna be worst and they’re gonna have to sell $2000 hot dogs to make any type of profit. I’m tired of giving other teams free agents big money only to see them fail, why not keep our own guy and move foward. Wright, Harvey, Tejeda, Parnell and Pelfrey to Seattle for Felix Hernandez ? And oh yeah I’ve seen Jason Bay for John Lackey being floated around, Matt Cerone has mentioned it previously. HELL NO. Lackey is done, this guy would set us back 3 yrs. If I’m doing that type of deal I’d rather have Zito. Though I find picking up Jonathan Sanchez and Broxton from the scrap heap very appealing for next year.

  41. What crap. There is a segment of the Mets fan base that desperately needs to confront its issue with Latin players. Nope, they are not like old fashioned ball gentlemen from the yester-year you never experienced anyway. Time to accept a cultural change in baseball…and the fact that Reyes is one of the best Mets players in franchise history.

  42. You lost me at, he still strikes out too much. He was one of the toughest to strike out in baseball this year… he walked more than he struck out.

  43. I don’t want to see Jose go but I do agree it is time to let him go & get the few draft choice we can get for him. What about moving David Wright over to SS? Think he could be a good one and that would open Third up for some of are other player or in the system.

  44. So the main points can be narrowed down to the Mets, playing in the nations biggest market, shouldn’t sign their best player (who happens to be home grown) in his prime at 28 years old, who happens to be one of the top 3 shortstops in all of baseball (Tulo, Reyes…)?

    Why? Because he strikes out too much?
    283 Ks to 235 walks in the past five years. He has a career 10.5% K rate vs a 17.4% league average.
    Strike one.

    He isn’t a team player because he sat out 3 meaningless at bats to give the Mets their first batting championship, even though players like Brett and Derek “Captain Clutch” Jeter have done it in the past.
    Strike two.

    The Mets haven’t won with Jose, so why keep him? Like JP said, the Dodgers didn’t win for years with Jackie Robinson, so they should have dumped him?
    Should the Mavs have dumped Nowitzki?
    Should the Caps dump Ovechkin?
    Should the Dolphins have dumped Marino?

    I guess the Red Sox kept Ted Williams even though he never won anything because he was a team player because he didn’t sit out that last game so he could hit .400.

    Strike three.

  45. I love it that these internet blowhards with no journalistic integrity and no oversight would continually bring up Ted Williams and the misconception that what Jose did the final day was somehow less than what other players do.

    The fact is that in 1957 Ted Williams had two at-bats and then took himself out of the game to preserve his lead. And for the idiots who keep bringing up his “selfless” doubleheader are completely oblivious to the FACT that Williams was not *actually* batting .400 entering the day, and so he had to play in order to avoid the legacy of only *technically* batting .400. Oh, and after the first game, he was under .400, so in order to reach the milestone, he had to play both games.

    He had to play. There was nothing selfless about it.

    I don’t disagree that the Mets should be ready to move on, but these other knocks on Jose are pathetic and factually inaccurate. You want to knock his injury history, have at it. You want to knock the fact that his value derives from his legs, be my guest. His September folds? Go on. But this batting title thing is intellectually bankrupt.

  46. so true romel..i cant tell you how many times ive wanted to call up and yell at people for using the ted williams example bc its flawed

    williams entered the day at 179-448….for those w/o a calculator, thats .39955357….or in lamens terms NOT 400…yes, when you ROUND it out, thats 400…but if you round out .350, its .4…does that mean you hit 400 if you hit 350? yes the stat board read 400 but you damn well know that ted williams knew he wasnt tech at 400

    HOWEVER, you are tech incorrect about game 2..he went 4-5 w/ a hr in game 1, so he was actually hitting 404 going into game 2

    BUT (hold your horses dumbasses that want to say “see …thats a player w/ balls) at 183-453, williams would have had to go 0-5 in order to fall back under 400 in that game…you can pretty much guarantee that, given that they were over 15 games behind the yankees and were losing 7-1, that if he had come up 0-4, he would not be going to the plate for a 5th ab….had he gone 0-4, he still would have been at .40043764…and for the record in 143 games williams only went 0-5 ONCE on may 14…pretty safe bet if you ask me

    this is the stupidest defense ive ever seen

  47. Let Reyes go. Trade Wright for a real closer. Then go after Albert P. of St. Louis and make him your 3B.

  48. For all the people still arguing over his “selfishness” on the last day of the season, your all wrong. Winning the first batting title in Mets was much bigger than a meaningless. I mean can you forget 6 good years of baseball over 1 at bat. Reyes has the ability to energize a team whether its with his smile his play or his dance moves. He is one top 3 leadoff men in the league. I agree in not giving him crawford type money i would certainly give him 5 years 90 million with an team option for a 6th. Plus he is a HOMEGROWN talent who will most likely become a HALL OF FAMER. If you really cared about watching Reyes last at bat, there wouldnt have been 40,000 EMPTY SEATS that day.

  49. What Reyes did on the last game of the season was a disgrace and a spat on the face of all the Mets fans that have supported him all these years. He is a selfish player that only thinks about himself and that was clearly evident when he laid a bunt for a hit and walks away in the sunset from the Mets and doesnt finish out his Mets career the way a player should. He is a product of what the Mets allowed and moving forward the best thing for the organization is to walk away and focus on players that give a damn about more than just padding their own stats. So i have no problem with seeing Reyes leave, good riddance and if he can get another team to give him what he wants, then that will be just another sad day in baseball. In my opinion he is not worth all that money.

  50. I told my wife (a fellow Mets fan) before the season started that Reyes would have a career year in 2011 because of his pending free-agency status. Lo and behold! We didn’t need Nostradamus to make that prediction, did we?

  51. Aazing…so many people taking seriously a loser like Delcos. Fired by an upstate rag for his incompetence. Couldn’t get a beat writer job anywhere in america so he sells aluminum siding and writes his hateful posts of guys who are a success, something he never was and never will be. Who you going to hate on next Delcos if Reyes goes somewhere else? you and your band of two idiot followers. Wow! What a sport writer success you are NOT.

  52. “fired by an upstate rag for his incompetence”? The print media industry is dying fast, and high priced/experienced talent is the first to go. That paper has been bleeding cash and letting go employees constantly. Don’t assume they are letting people go because they aren’t good at what they do. Not in this economy and not in that industry.

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  55. John

    This is the most active thread I have seen in some time.

    After reading all the above I must say that Jose should go.

    It is a cost benefit thing. Yes, if he goes we will not be able to replace him. His fielding is special most of the time with occasional lapses. His arm is the best out there. When he is healthy and hitting line drives rather than lifting the ball he is a very dangerous hitter and THE catalyst for the team.

    However in his history he is injured a lot. As he gets older his speed will lose its edge.

    He is a team player. I have never doubted that.

    The question is he worth the money? In the context of having 3 other players who take up half the team wages being a complete waste you have to consider adding a huge chunk of money on one player who has injury issues.