Comments on: Sorting things out …. http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/12/15/sorting-things-out/ Featuring Mets' commentary, analysis and news. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:25:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Ray Sadecki http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/12/15/sorting-things-out/#comment-35685 Ray Sadecki Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:05:49 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4416#comment-35685 21. Dave, I never said the minors were loaded. Every year Omar fixes what was wrong last year. Then 2 more holes appear. Its not working. It may be time to change direction but as Chiti and others have noted they need to sell tickets so I expect them to overspend for not premium players who we will be waiting for thier contracts to expire in a few years if that long. Holliday is the exception. I believe He is a premium talent who can be productive for a long time yet. 21. Dave, I never said the minors were loaded. Every year Omar fixes what was wrong last year. Then 2 more holes appear. Its not working. It may be time to change direction but as Chiti and others have noted they need to sell tickets so I expect them to overspend for not premium players who we will be waiting for thier contracts to expire in a few years if that long. Holliday is the exception. I believe He is a premium talent who can be productive for a long time yet.

]]> By: dave http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/12/15/sorting-things-out/#comment-35679 dave Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:42:16 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4416#comment-35679 9 Ray Thole has had one good year. His defense by all accounts needs work. Ike has had a good year. I want to see more. Let us say they get called up at end of 10. They will be young. I would not count on them driving this club for 2 or 3 years. I have mostly given up on FMart. I think he is too injury prone. I hope he works out, but.. Also we have no pitching. Our single biggest issue is no pitching. We have Niese and Holt, although Holt seems to have regressed. What else do we have? Nothing top line. Nothing to help Santana before he retires. I say we get Bay. That will add some offense. It will also lessen the load on the other players. If FMart actually comes up he will have to fight for time rather than being given it. That is a good thing. Adds depth and competition. I want to see the team add to its minors. I don't have a lot of hope for that though. 9 Ray

Thole has had one good year. His defense by all accounts needs work. Ike has had a good year. I want to see more.

Let us say they get called up at end of 10. They will be young. I would not count on them driving this club for 2 or 3 years. I have mostly given up on FMart. I think he is too injury prone. I hope he works out, but..

Also we have no pitching. Our single biggest issue is no pitching. We have Niese and Holt, although Holt seems to have regressed. What else do we have? Nothing top line. Nothing to help Santana before he retires.

I say we get Bay. That will add some offense. It will also lessen the load on the other players. If FMart actually comes up he will have to fight for time rather than being given it. That is a good thing. Adds depth and competition.

I want to see the team add to its minors. I don’t have a lot of hope for that though.

]]> By: Harry Chiti http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/12/15/sorting-things-out/#comment-35675 Harry Chiti Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:02:49 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4416#comment-35675 15. How do you know he won't get what he wants?? Did you think Wolf would get a 3 year deal for @ 10 mil each? Did you think Lackey would get Burnett money without a bidding war even? I won't go on. You know the high contracts better than I do. There's no reason to make an assumption that the market is going to collapse now. Last year was the year of the bargain and Omar passed on the bargains. This year Omar was looking for the bargains and they aren't there. I suspect he gives Bay 5 years about 16 per or 5/15 with a vesting option. Then Met fans hope he doesn't become DH material for quite a while! If you don't think the fan reaction on talk radio is important to the club then I say you are wrong. A team down doesn't need more bad publicity. The stadium isn't new and unique any more. Omar needs to sell tickets and win. He's not doing it with Igarishi. 15. How do you know he won’t get what he wants?? Did you think Wolf would get a 3 year deal for @ 10 mil each? Did you think Lackey would get Burnett money without a bidding war even? I won’t go on. You know the high contracts better than I do. There’s no reason to make an assumption that the market is going to collapse now. Last year was the year of the bargain and Omar passed on the bargains. This year Omar was looking for the bargains and they aren’t there.
I suspect he gives Bay 5 years about 16 per or 5/15 with a vesting option. Then Met fans hope he doesn’t become DH material for quite a while! If you don’t think the fan reaction on talk radio is important to the club then I say you are wrong. A team down doesn’t need more bad publicity. The stadium isn’t new and unique any more. Omar needs to sell tickets and win. He’s not doing it with Igarishi.

]]> By: JamesSC http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/12/15/sorting-things-out/#comment-35674 JamesSC Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:57:21 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4416#comment-35674 #17, yes if the Mets dont make a big move this off season they will pay for it in season ticket sales next year. They just have to decide if the costs of making that big move will be worth that. If they finish stronger next year and have more momentum going for them into 2011 and make deals they will get those season tickets back and some. Thats why I think the Mets will be willing to spend this year, but I think they are also willing to not spend if the right deal doesn't come out. #17, yes if the Mets dont make a big move this off season they will pay for it in season ticket sales next year. They just have to decide if the costs of making that big move will be worth that. If they finish stronger next year and have more momentum going for them into 2011 and make deals they will get those season tickets back and some.

Thats why I think the Mets will be willing to spend this year, but I think they are also willing to not spend if the right deal doesn’t come out.

]]> By: JamesSC http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/12/15/sorting-things-out/#comment-35673 JamesSC Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:54:44 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4416#comment-35673 Thats why I like Marquis better, he is 94-83, only 30 years old and with the same ERA and has pitched for a number of good team (admittedly not always fantastically or in key roles, but his teams have done fairly well). He is a quality #3 guy to me and has some value for next year and the next 3 years has some decent value. Piniero is the same age but wants 4 years and is mostly vying on last years results to get that which I agree worry me outside of the Cardinals. Thats why I like Marquis better, he is 94-83, only 30 years old and with the same ERA and has pitched for a number of good team (admittedly not always fantastically or in key roles, but his teams have done fairly well).

He is a quality #3 guy to me and has some value for next year and the next 3 years has some decent value. Piniero is the same age but wants 4 years and is mostly vying on last years results to get that which I agree worry me outside of the Cardinals.

]]> By: Harry Chiti http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/12/15/sorting-things-out/#comment-35672 Harry Chiti Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:53:13 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4416#comment-35672 11. TMS you are living in a past reality. Yes, it used to be that you filled seats by winning games and having a pennant race and a filled up stadium in August and September was enough. With the costs today your philosophy is a loser. Teams need to sell as many season tickets as possible so they have sell out or near sell outs in April and May. You do that two ways. You either win the year before and sell tickets on your past excitement or you buy players who are advertised as big name and are drawing cards. (Except Boston and Chicago Cubs and NY Yankees who are unique to the world) 6. Sadecki, you may be partially right but I think some tickets get renewed with hm because people will say at least they're trying to stay competitive with the rest of the NL East. 11. TMS you are living in a past reality. Yes, it used to be that you filled seats by winning games and having a pennant race and a filled up stadium in August and September was enough. With the costs today your philosophy is a loser. Teams need to sell as many season tickets as possible so they have sell out or near sell outs in April and May. You do that two ways. You either win the year before and sell tickets on your past excitement or you buy players who are advertised as big name and are drawing cards. (Except Boston and Chicago Cubs and NY Yankees who are unique to the world)
6. Sadecki, you may be partially right but I think some tickets get renewed with hm because people will say at least they’re trying to stay competitive with the rest of the NL East.

]]> By: John Delcos http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/12/15/sorting-things-out/#comment-35670 John Delcos Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:36:07 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4416#comment-35670 JamesSC (16): Pineiro might be the best available pitcher on the market. He is also a lifetime 87-79 pitcher with a career 4.39 ERA. I don't see Don Drysdale here. I wouldn't break the bank for him. You also have to wonder how much of Pineiro winning 15 games last year had to do with pitching coach Dave Duncan.-JD JamesSC (16): Pineiro might be the best available pitcher on the market. He is also a lifetime 87-79 pitcher with a career 4.39 ERA. I don’t see Don Drysdale here. I wouldn’t break the bank for him. You also have to wonder how much of Pineiro winning 15 games last year had to do with pitching coach Dave Duncan.-JD

]]> By: JamesSC http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/12/15/sorting-things-out/#comment-35669 JamesSC Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:30:37 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4416#comment-35669 BTW, on Piniero/Marquis. I personally like Marquis better and the price doesn't have to go up if the demand isn't driving it. It is not like we are seeing all these teams giving Piniero the 4 year deal he is reportedly looking for. And if some team does, then as I suggested in my last post, then let him go. BTW, on Piniero/Marquis. I personally like Marquis better and the price doesn’t have to go up if the demand isn’t driving it. It is not like we are seeing all these teams giving Piniero the 4 year deal he is reportedly looking for. And if some team does, then as I suggested in my last post, then let him go.

]]> By: JamesSC http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/12/15/sorting-things-out/#comment-35668 JamesSC Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:27:58 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4416#comment-35668 I think the difference for me is that I am truly ok if the Mets let Bay and even Holliday go this year. They still need to improve, but I don't need to see the big splash on this team because I am more worried about 2011 than I am in 2010 right now. If we can get the right player that will make a difference for the next 4 years at the right price then pull the trigger. If we can't then get the Spackle out and do some patchwork with 1 year deals to fill some holes and got to bat. My worst fear is that we significantly overpay for an existing free agent for "splash" value and to show that we are "not cheap" (whatever that means for the 4th highest payroll or whereever we are now). There are still guys that would be a great fit for this team and have that value, Bay could be one of them if we don't have to go nuts for him, so I am okay with the not too aggressive approach for him personally. I think the difference for me is that I am truly ok if the Mets let Bay and even Holliday go this year. They still need to improve, but I don’t need to see the big splash on this team because I am more worried about 2011 than I am in 2010 right now. If we can get the right player that will make a difference for the next 4 years at the right price then pull the trigger. If we can’t then get the Spackle out and do some patchwork with 1 year deals to fill some holes and got to bat.

My worst fear is that we significantly overpay for an existing free agent for “splash” value and to show that we are “not cheap” (whatever that means for the 4th highest payroll or whereever we are now).

There are still guys that would be a great fit for this team and have that value, Bay could be one of them if we don’t have to go nuts for him, so I am okay with the not too aggressive approach for him personally.

]]> By: Ray Sadecki http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/12/15/sorting-things-out/#comment-35666 Ray Sadecki Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:39:49 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4416#comment-35666 11. TMS, I like Pagan,too. But after only flashing his talent for half a year, Id like to see a backup plan. Nady could also platoon with Murphy at first base. 11. TMS, I like Pagan,too. But after only flashing his talent for half a year, Id like to see a backup plan. Nady could also platoon with Murphy at first base.

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