Comments on: Would you empty the shelves for Miguel Cabrera? http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/11/29/would-you-empty-the-shelves-for-miguel-cabrera/ Featuring Mets' commentary, analysis and news. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:25:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Harry Chiti http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/11/29/would-you-empty-the-shelves-for-miguel-cabrera/#comment-35209 Harry Chiti Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:41:02 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4199#comment-35209 16. I realy don't get. Beating up one's significant other is a criminal offense that many get away with because of fear and because DA's hate to prosecute one person's word versus another's cases. It is an act of supreme cowardice to beat on one who is most likely much weaker. For a team to go out of their way to get a guy like that is terrible and terrible PR. Its bad enough when you have contractual obligations of 10-20 million that you can't get rid of, but to go get that kind of criminal is just wrong. If that's what the Mets need to win then screw them. Don't get Cabrera, don't sign Brett Myers etc. The guy should be in prison, not in a Mets dugout. After he's done his time then sign him if you want him. So many don't want the roids guys, and so many wanted Michael Vick banned for life even though he went to jail and did his time, but its ok to kick the crap out of a helpless human being? Gimme a break. 16. I realy don’t get. Beating up one’s significant other is a criminal offense that many get away with because of fear and because DA’s hate to prosecute one person’s word versus another’s cases. It is an act of supreme cowardice to beat on one who is most likely much weaker. For a team to go out of their way to get a guy like that is terrible and terrible PR. Its bad enough when you have contractual obligations of 10-20 million that you can’t get rid of, but to go get that kind of criminal is just wrong. If that’s what the Mets need to win then screw them. Don’t get Cabrera, don’t sign Brett Myers etc. The guy should be in prison, not in a Mets dugout. After he’s done his time then sign him if you want him.
So many don’t want the roids guys, and so many wanted Michael Vick banned for life even though he went to jail and did his time, but its ok to kick the crap out of a helpless human being? Gimme a break.

]]> By: JamesSC http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/11/29/would-you-empty-the-shelves-for-miguel-cabrera/#comment-35188 JamesSC Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:24:58 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4199#comment-35188 If we could make a deal as a true salary cutting deal where we didn't have to empty our minor leagues for him I would go for it. If I had to trade the full allotment of talent for him I have no interest. The last couple years of that deal are going to be a killer, and he isn't the perfect fit for our wild throwing infield with the glove. Now Adrian Gonzalez is a completely different question and that I would trade quite a bit for in the right deal If we could make a deal as a true salary cutting deal where we didn’t have to empty our minor leagues for him I would go for it. If I had to trade the full allotment of talent for him I have no interest. The last couple years of that deal are going to be a killer, and he isn’t the perfect fit for our wild throwing infield with the glove.

Now Adrian Gonzalez is a completely different question and that I would trade quite a bit for in the right deal

]]> By: Steve The Original http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/11/29/would-you-empty-the-shelves-for-miguel-cabrera/#comment-35183 Steve The Original Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:09:37 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4199#comment-35183 (14) Harry: Great post. You're making me rethink how all out I would go for the chance to trade for hALLAday. (That one was for Sadecki. lol) (14) Harry: Great post. You’re making me rethink how all out I would go for the chance to trade for hALLAday. (That one was for Sadecki. lol)

]]> By: Harry Chiti http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/11/29/would-you-empty-the-shelves-for-miguel-cabrera/#comment-35180 Harry Chiti Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:01:25 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4199#comment-35180 13. Your points are sound Sadecki, but the opportunity to get a real star is rare, especially when entering the prime of his baeball life, not the end of it. Gonzalez, unlike David Wright, made no adjustments in his big stadium, and hits most o fhis HRs away but by showing baseball smarts, he keeps his numbers overall. He won't go down to 12 HRs because he is psyched out by dimensions. Also, most of the prospects, if not all won't be anything close to a star. Even the new Mets hottie propsect Davis, his numbers weren't overwheling, One good year after one terrible year is all he has so far. I don't like giving up prospects for average players like the Mets did with some prospects, but when you can empty the farm for a real star, a young star, I'm OK with it. I wouldn't do it for the older Halladay in Toronto because you'll pay for his deterioration as he approached 40, I wouldn't do it for a Church, but I'd do it for Gonzalez. As for how many 20 million guys can you afford? I'm not privy to the probably miskept books of the Wilpons so I can't answer. As for your guy Holiday, I'd have no problems getting him off the FA market either. He is an excellent hitter and obviously saves all the kids. I merely brought up Gonzalez as an alternative and better first baseman to trade for than the guy Delcos brought up in his post. 13. Your points are sound Sadecki, but the opportunity to get a real star is rare, especially when entering the prime of his baeball life, not the end of it. Gonzalez, unlike David Wright, made no adjustments in his big stadium, and hits most o fhis HRs away but by showing baseball smarts, he keeps his numbers overall. He won’t go down to 12 HRs because he is psyched out by dimensions. Also, most of the prospects, if not all won’t be anything close to a star. Even the new Mets hottie propsect Davis, his numbers weren’t overwheling, One good year after one terrible year is all he has so far. I don’t like giving up prospects for average players like the Mets did with some prospects, but when you can empty the farm for a real star, a young star, I’m OK with it. I wouldn’t do it for the older Halladay in Toronto because you’ll pay for his deterioration as he approached 40, I wouldn’t do it for a Church, but I’d do it for Gonzalez.
As for how many 20 million guys can you afford? I’m not privy to the probably miskept books of the Wilpons so I can’t answer. As for your guy Holiday, I’d have no problems getting him off the FA market either. He is an excellent hitter and obviously saves all the kids. I merely brought up Gonzalez as an alternative and better first baseman to trade for than the guy Delcos brought up in his post.

]]> By: Ray Sadecki http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/11/29/would-you-empty-the-shelves-for-miguel-cabrera/#comment-35179 Ray Sadecki Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:26:45 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4199#comment-35179 12Chiti, I assume you are referring to Adrian. It would cost more than Ike to get him. Alot more, and if he is available there are plenty of teams with more and better prospects to give (Red Sox for one) also, He will soon be looking for a new contract in 20mm range. How many players can you give that kind of money to? Please go read that Phillips article on the attitudes thread. You cant have continued success without some homegrown stars. 12Chiti, I assume you are referring to Adrian. It would cost more than Ike to get him. Alot more, and if he is available there are plenty of teams with more and better prospects to give (Red Sox for one) also, He will soon be looking for a new contract in 20mm range. How many players can you give that kind of money to? Please go read that Phillips article on the attitudes thread. You cant have continued success without some homegrown stars.

]]> By: Harry Chiti http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/11/29/would-you-empty-the-shelves-for-miguel-cabrera/#comment-35177 Harry Chiti Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:48:05 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4199#comment-35177 3/8. Agree with Delcos. The only difference is that if the guy who manages Mcdonalds does it, you'll never hear about it. 11. Sadecki: You know I prefer prospects to get a chance. But if this guy didn't have issues I'd make the exception. Young like Santana was when they got him, the chances of Ike Davis ever hitting for the average and power of this guy are between extremely thin and none. If Delcos had said Gonzalez vice Cabrera, I'd kiss Mr Davis goodbye, and thank him for getting me a young superstar. 3/8. Agree with Delcos. The only difference is that if the guy who manages Mcdonalds does it, you’ll never hear about it.
11.
Sadecki: You know I prefer prospects to get a chance. But if this guy didn’t have issues I’d make the exception. Young like Santana was when they got him, the chances of Ike Davis ever hitting for the average and power of this guy are between extremely thin and none. If Delcos had said Gonzalez vice Cabrera, I’d kiss Mr Davis goodbye, and thank him for getting me a young superstar.

]]> By: Ray Sadecki http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/11/29/would-you-empty-the-shelves-for-miguel-cabrera/#comment-35175 Ray Sadecki Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:31:58 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4199#comment-35175 7. Delcos, I have seen this guy over the years. He is one of the best hitters I have ever seen. But as you say, he is not good in the field, and has outside issues. Holliday is also a very good hitter and can be had without giving up prospects. Will cost about the same. Fills a hole in LF, its a no-brainer to me. 7. Delcos, I have seen this guy over the years. He is one of the best hitters I have ever seen. But as you say, he is not good in the field, and has outside issues. Holliday is also a very good hitter and can be had without giving up prospects. Will cost about the same. Fills a hole in LF, its a no-brainer to me.

]]> By: Dan Gurney http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/11/29/would-you-empty-the-shelves-for-miguel-cabrera/#comment-35174 Dan Gurney Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:31:02 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4199#comment-35174 Not really interested in getting Cabrera. A great hitter but I think he will get old real fast. Not really interested in getting Cabrera. A great hitter but I think he will get old real fast.

]]> By: Ray Sadecki http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/11/29/would-you-empty-the-shelves-for-miguel-cabrera/#comment-35173 Ray Sadecki Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:27:42 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4199#comment-35173 5. yes, the same. 5. yes, the same.

]]> By: happykay » Blog Archive » Quick scan of the net - detroit tigers http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/11/29/would-you-empty-the-shelves-for-miguel-cabrera/#comment-35172 happykay » Blog Archive » Quick scan of the net - detroit tigers Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:22:45 +0000 http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/?p=4199#comment-35172 [...] http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/11/29/would-you-empty-the-shelves-for-miguel-cabrera/The Detroit Tigers, in a payroll cutting-mode, will listen to offers for the enigmatic first baseman. This guy would fill a lot of holes for the Mets. He’d take care of first base for the next six seasons and provide a potent … [...] [...] http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2009/11/29/would-you-empty-the-shelves-for-miguel-cabrera/The Detroit Tigers, in a payroll cutting-mode, will listen to offers for the enigmatic first baseman. This guy would fill a lot of holes for the Mets. He’d take care of first base for the next six seasons and provide a potent … [...]

]]>