TALKIN’ BASEBALL: Game #6

Martinez vs. Pettitte

Martinez vs. Pettitte

Some of the most riveting moments in baseball history have occurred during Game 6 of a World Series. I looked at several this morning and if you haven’t yet, please take a look and, of course, add your comments.

Tonight, it’s Pedro Martinez against Andy Pettitte, with each going 3-3 against the other.

“Two old goats out there doing the best they can and having fun with it,” Martinez said. “I don’t have enough words to describe how excited I am about being here. This is just a great gift to me.”

The objects are simple for each. For Martinez, it is to keep the Phillies’ season alive. He pitched well in Game 2 at Yankee Stadium. For Pettitte, it is to bring the Yankees’ 27th World Series title to the Bronx.

Pettitte won Game 3 in Philadelphia. Pettitte got the victory, but was hit for four runs in six innings. That was on normal rest. Tonight he’s going on three days, and how much he has left will be a defining moment to the game and Series.

Naturally, Pettitte downplayed the issue, but he can’t ignore he’s 4-6 lifetime in that scenario.

“I really don’t think there’s that big of a difference,” said Pettitte, who is 3-0 during the playoffs. “I think just mentally people make such a big deal about it because it’s just not done very often anymore.”

What’s also not done, at least in this Series, is the Yankees getting out Chase Utley, who has five homers. Yankee pitchers have fed him a diet of fastballs, many of them over the plate. He can expect fastballs tonight, only high and tight.

“We have left a lot of pitches in the middle of the plate,” said Yankees catcher Jorge Posada said. “We probably need to make him feel a little bit more uncomfortable.”

This post was written by John Delcos

139 Comments so far

  1. John Delcos November 4, 2009 8:33 pm

    Shane Victorino is in the line-up. He says he’s fine, but the hand is still sore and it is cold.-JD

  2. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 8:36 pm

    John (1) And so we arrive at game 6 – late in the season and into another month in fact. Yankees lead 3-2 and rumors are rife about stealing signs, and other little tricks. Too much time elapses between the games nowadays in homage to the TV gods and silliness ensues.

    Play ball — before the snow falls.

  3. edfever November 4, 2009 9:00 pm

    evening all

  4. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:03 pm

    ed (3): Welcome. Your take on tonight?-JD

  5. edfever November 4, 2009 9:06 pm

    I’ll be surprised if the Phils live for another day- I’m an Arod fan and aside from my pure enjoyment of the game it a bit of a consolation to see him walk on water making some of those Yankees fans who complained about him eat crow

  6. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:12 pm

    ed (5): He’s had a good playoffs. I think he has the monkey off his back. He hasn’t pitched well in the Series, but he did have the game-winning hit in Game 4.-JD

  7. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:14 pm

    FIRST INNING: I thought Teixeira’s ball was out.-JD

  8. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:15 pm

    SECOND INNING: Well, at least Howard hit the ball.-JD

  9. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 9:19 pm

    Ed(3) Good to see you again -hope all is well.

  10. edfever November 4, 2009 9:20 pm

    Tex. is one of the best defensive 1b I’ve seen in a long time

  11. Harry Chiti November 4, 2009 9:20 pm

    6. He hasn’t pitched well ever.

  12. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 9:21 pm

    John (7) I did too – wonder how cold it is on the field – does that help or hurt the ball?

  13. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:21 pm

    ed (10): Very slick with the glove. He’ll get the gold this year.-JD

  14. edfever November 4, 2009 9:21 pm

    (9) Annie thanks yes all is well

  15. edfever November 4, 2009 9:22 pm

    Reminds me of keith most good defenders recently have been poor hitters – Doug M. comes to mind

  16. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:23 pm

    Harry (11): Great to see you. I lost you. Who hasn’t pitched well ever?-JD

  17. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:24 pm

    Annie (10): It hurts. Ball usually doesn’t travel as well.-JD

  18. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 9:26 pm

    Harry – Glad to see you back here – It’s a warm place to enjoy the game.

  19. edfever November 4, 2009 9:27 pm

    I hope Pedro gets rocked he was awful for three years – i got so sick of him looking to the sky for answers game after game – he left many expectations unfufilled here

  20. Harry Chiti November 4, 2009 9:27 pm

    16. AROD.

  21. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 9:27 pm

    John (17) I guessed that after Teixeira’s ball fell short in the outfield.

  22. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:28 pm

    Matsui hurt Pedro in Game 2 with a homer. … Looked pretty good on that swing.-JD

  23. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:30 pm

    Buck keeps talking about Martinez’s experience; McCarver talks about him not having a fastball. Together, that’s saying he’s old and don’t expect much tonight.-JD

  24. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:34 pm

    The longer that at-bat went, the better for Matsui. Looks like he’s playing for a contract like Damon.-JD

  25. edfever November 4, 2009 9:34 pm

    Hopefully Matsui and damon will hit there way into new contracts- so both dont end up in Queens and to keep the Yanks out of the Holliday race

  26. dave November 4, 2009 9:34 pm

    lack of control will do that to u

  27. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:36 pm

    ed (25): I’ve heard they might not sign either and use the money on Holliday. I’d believe it.-JD

  28. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 9:36 pm

    FYI – Hidecki Matsui is only 2 weeks older than Derek Jeter. Pedro Martinez is one year older than Andy Pettitte.

  29. dave November 4, 2009 9:37 pm

    wow 80 mph fastballs

  30. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:38 pm

    Martinez is throwing a lot of pitches. I say he doesn’t go past the fourth.-JD

  31. dave November 4, 2009 9:41 pm

    john

    if that happens there will be no one to pitch tomorrow.

    but i guess you have to get there first.

  32. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 9:41 pm

    Ed(25) Matsui has bad knees and has been used only as a DH this past season.

  33. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:43 pm

    THIRD INNING: Pettitte can only benefit from a long inning.-JD

  34. edfever November 4, 2009 9:45 pm

    (32) dont have to tell me – but I could see the Yanks passing on him and signing Holliday and then us entertaining the idea

  35. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:46 pm

    Phillies can’t afford to squander scoring chances. There’s no margin for error for them tonight.-JD

  36. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:48 pm

    ed (34): If you’re Holliday, wouldn’t you choose the Yankees over the Mets? They’ll pay more, Yankee Stadium is a hitter’s park, and the Yankees are a playoff team.-JD

  37. dave November 4, 2009 9:48 pm

    John

    I realized ur server has not adjusted for daylight savings time.

  38. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 9:48 pm

    Ed(34) That’s a possibility, I suppose.

  39. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:49 pm

    dave (37): Thanks.-JD

  40. dave November 4, 2009 9:49 pm

    john(36)

    yes, and they don’t have senior executives running around tearing off their shirts challenging players to a fight.

  41. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:50 pm

    dave (40: That too.-JD

  42. edfever November 4, 2009 9:50 pm

    (38) there was an article about two weeks ago in which Matsiu said he was going to get in fielding shape over the winter he apparently misses playing the field – will even practice at 1B his primary position in high school – immediately the article linked him to us since he desperately wants to stay in NY

  43. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:51 pm

    Martinez needs a quick inning.-JD

  44. edfever November 4, 2009 9:52 pm

    (36) i personally dont think we have a chance in h*ll of Holliday – i think our best option free agency will end up being marlon byrd

  45. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 9:53 pm

    Ed (42) Matsui is a great player and a good team mate, well liked ever since he arrived here. You also get the Japanese press with him – he never speaks English in public.

  46. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:54 pm

    ed (42): Do the Mets really need an aging player with bad knees? And, one trying a new position in the majors. High school was a long time ago, and not just for me.-JD

  47. edfever November 4, 2009 9:55 pm

    (45) Mets have been dying for years to break into that lucrative Asian merchandising market – it doubles our merchandise revenues – but we’ve never had a successful player except Shinjo

  48. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:56 pm

    Another variable for Matsui is the Yankees’ huge marketing deal in Japan.-JD

  49. Dan Gurney November 4, 2009 9:56 pm

    I was just thinking on how the Yankees still have three key players from 1996 playing 13 years later..Pettitte, Rivera, Jeter. Posada had a few at bats but had his development set back by a minor league injury which in typical Yankee luck mad them keep a blowhard like Leyritz around to tie up game 4. Phillies players from 1993 WS loser are long gone..Schilling lasted but not with team.
    I don’t think any Cards from late 1960s were on 1981 team. Or any Mets from 1973 who were on 1986 team.

  50. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:56 pm

    ed (47): Is the marketing deal enough to sign him? It is money.-JD

  51. edfever November 4, 2009 9:57 pm

    (46) cant agree more but Im be surprised if they dont get boxed out on Holliday in Bay which puts them in scramble mode

  52. edfever November 4, 2009 9:58 pm

    (50) not to me but baseball is a sport to me its a business to them – a week after signing 40 y/o Sheffield it was the most marketed and sold shirt on the team

  53. John Delcos November 4, 2009 9:58 pm

    Dan (49): It is a novelty for players not to stay with teams throughout their careers.-JD

  54. dave November 4, 2009 9:59 pm

    We don’t need Matsui.

    We need full time players, not part time expensive players.

  55. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:00 pm

    The Phillies should’ve had somebody ready by now. This could be the game right here.-JD

  56. Dan Gurney November 4, 2009 10:00 pm

    This could get real ugly for the Fillies real soon

  57. dave November 4, 2009 10:00 pm

    edfever(52)

    really?

    Met fans were buying Sheffield shirts over Johan , Beltran, etc?

    Wow.

    How stupid.

  58. edfever November 4, 2009 10:01 pm

    (54) Dave i agree this conversation started with me hoping the yanks re-sign him so omar isnt tempted to and they have less money for holliday

  59. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:01 pm

    dave (54): Agreed.-JD

  60. dave November 4, 2009 10:01 pm

    John,

    I guess your right. But you missed by one inning.

  61. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:02 pm

    dave (60): I know. … This is just bad managing right here.-JD

  62. edfever November 4, 2009 10:02 pm

    (57) dave by April in the Mets store at the stadium the Sheffield had multiple tables, shirt stands and at some of the smaller stores it was the only shirt they carried

  63. edfever November 4, 2009 10:04 pm

    that looked way outside and whats with West ripping off his mask

  64. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 10:04 pm

    Dan(49) I think it is also a plus for Pettitte to have had Posada as his catcher for so long – they work very well together.

  65. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:04 pm

    That was a ball to Rodriguez. Phillies got a break.-JD

  66. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:05 pm

    ed (63): Umps a little sensitive. They don’t like getting shown up. Truth is, their performance does that for them.-JD

  67. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:06 pm

    How hard does Matsui have to hit the ball before they take him out?-JD

  68. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:07 pm

    Oh, here’s an idea … Martinez might not have it tonight.-JD

  69. Dan Gurney November 4, 2009 10:08 pm

    Leaving Martinez in to face Posada??? It worked by I would not have done it.

  70. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:09 pm

    FOURTH INNING: Another long inning of rest for Pettitte.-JD

  71. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 10:09 pm

    We’re seeing quite an audition from Matsui tonight…

  72. edfever November 4, 2009 10:09 pm

    Wow I call that Pedro being Pedro – he surprised me with how well he did for the phillies this year not falling apart now

  73. Dan Gurney November 4, 2009 10:11 pm

    Girardi must be counting down the outs until he can put Rivera in the game. I say at the beginning of the eighth…if the Yankee lead holds.

  74. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:14 pm

    Dan (73): Yeah … I was thinking that, too. He’ll give Rivera two innings.-JD

  75. edfever November 4, 2009 10:15 pm

    When was the last time an MVP came from the losing team because Utley should get some consideration

  76. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 10:16 pm

    Pulled muscles have taken Melky Cabrera and Johnny Damon out of the games – I’m sure the cold weather was a bit of a factor.

  77. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 10:17 pm

    ed (75) that’s an interesting question – it happened years ago with Bobby Richardson, but I don’t know about recent times.

  78. Dan Gurney November 4, 2009 10:18 pm

    #75 Bobby Richardson in 1960? I think in the NFL Cliff Waters was MVP for the Super Bowl V losing Cowboys

  79. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:20 pm

    Richardson is the last player on a losing team in 1960. The Super Bowl MVP from a losing team was Chuck Howley, Dallas linebacker.-JD

  80. Dan Gurney November 4, 2009 10:22 pm

    Five times the Conn Smythe award has been awarded to a player for the losing team in the NHL. Last was 2003 to Jean Paul Giguere of the Anaheim Ducks

  81. edfever November 4, 2009 10:23 pm

    wasnt that a strike to Arod

  82. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:23 pm

    If the Yankees win tonight, how about Matsui? Maybe Damon? Maybe Pettitte?

  83. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:37 pm

    FIFTH INNING: Phillies need to get something going now. Three more innings until Rivera.-JD

  84. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 10:43 pm

    John (82) Now I’m curious – who names the MVP of a World Series?

  85. Dan Gurney November 4, 2009 10:47 pm

    Pettitte isn’t overwhelming but he is getting the job done. Two DPs, right?

    I thought that double by Jeter was out

  86. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:48 pm

    Annie (84): They poll writers.-JD

  87. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:50 pm

    Dan (85): Pettitte has given them everything they could have hoped for.-JD

  88. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:52 pm

    Manuel should have brought in Happ to pitch to Matsui.-JD

  89. dave November 4, 2009 10:53 pm

    edfever(62)

    wow

  90. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 10:54 pm

    John (86) Thanks – I never knew that.

  91. dave November 4, 2009 10:55 pm

    goodnight guys.

    gotta hit the sack.

    c u on hotstove where we find out what loser, over the hill player the mets sign to save 2010.

  92. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:56 pm

    dave (91): Thanks for stopping by. Good night.-JD

  93. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:58 pm

    Delcos (88): Or maybe not.-JD

  94. Dan Gurney November 4, 2009 10:58 pm

    7-1 now after the latest Godzilla hit. Maybe we should start talking if Girardi lets Rivera get the final outs with a 10 run lead so he can win the first Yankee world series at their $1.3 billion montrosity

  95. John Delcos November 4, 2009 10:59 pm

    We’re going to get a lot of camera shots now of the Phillies dugout. All those long faces. They had their chances to win.-JD

  96. Dan Gurney November 4, 2009 11:01 pm

    What’s the record for the biggest blowout in the clinching game of the World series? 1934 Cards won game 7 11-0. 1985 Kansas City won by the same score

  97. John Delcos November 4, 2009 11:09 pm

    SIXTH INNING: Buck is reciting Pettitte’s resume. No mention of the HGH and his relationship with Clemens.-JD

  98. John Delcos November 4, 2009 11:14 pm

    Gotta wonder if this is Pettitte’s last game with the Yankees. If it is, it could be of his career. … Unless, of course, the Mets sign him (written with sarcasm).-JD

  99. Dan Gurney November 4, 2009 11:19 pm

    Somehow I don’t have the same loathing towards Pettitte about using PEDs as Clemens, Bonds and others. But it was wrong and illegal and should be mentioned

  100. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 11:21 pm

    John (98) Who knows, he is certainly pitching well enough to return to the Yankees next season.

  101. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 11:24 pm

    Dan (99) It has been mentioned, and so has ARod’s use of steroids etc.

  102. John Delcos November 4, 2009 11:24 pm

    Annie (100): I know. But, you never know.-JD

  103. John Delcos November 4, 2009 11:26 pm

    Annie (101): Not tonight, it hasn’t. I don’t recall hearing it in Game 3, either.-JD

  104. edfever November 4, 2009 11:31 pm

    JD – Bob Melvin would be an excellent bench coach is there any new word

  105. John Delcos November 4, 2009 11:35 pm

    ed (104): He is somebody they are considering. I like Melvin. He was a back-up catcher for the Orioles when I covered them. … Their new bench coach should be somebody who could step in immediately.-JD

  106. Annie Savoy November 4, 2009 11:36 pm

    John (102) I think he’ll get an offer and it will be up to him what he wants to do. If this all holds up, he’s holding a lot of cards for the Yankees.

  107. edfever November 4, 2009 11:42 pm

    (105) it seems like Shines has been quitely ruled out – if not melvin another former coach – Chip Hale was up for the D-Backs job at one point many out there felt he got hosed

  108. John Delcos November 4, 2009 11:46 pm

    ed (107): Shines is still on staff, but it is undecided as to what he’ll do.-JD

  109. John Delcos November 4, 2009 11:47 pm

    Wouldn’t it be something if Utley reached and Howard homered to tie the game? I need a little suspense. Not getting much tonight.-JD

  110. edfever November 4, 2009 11:47 pm

    They really messed Jaba up dont mess with a good thing – when you have the next Goose dont try to make him Gidry – you end up with a charred duck ( get Lightning/goose- crack myself up)

  111. John Delcos November 4, 2009 11:48 pm

    ed (110): You are the best.-JD

  112. edfever November 4, 2009 11:49 pm

    (108) will they use the fifth spot usually used fro the catchers coach as so new assignment for him

  113. John Delcos November 4, 2009 11:50 pm

    Utley at-bat: They missed the first pitch. … They’ve missed a lot of pitches, for both teams, in the Series.-JD

  114. John Delcos November 4, 2009 11:50 pm

    Yeah, Utley didn’t check in time.-JD

  115. edfever November 5, 2009 12:05 am

    A rod has a .973 OPS that Bond’s ish

  116. Dan Gurney November 5, 2009 12:16 am

    So they end up bringing in Rivera with one out in the 8th and a 4 run lead.

  117. edfever November 5, 2009 12:17 am

    its a long winter to rest

  118. John Delcos November 5, 2009 12:17 am

    EIGHTH INNING: Well, we’ve certainly seen Howard strikeout before. His disappearance might be the biggest factor in the outcome of this Series.-JD

  119. Dan Gurney November 5, 2009 12:18 am

    What is it…101 days for pitchers and catchers…152 for Opening Day???

    At least there are no political ads to put up with. So Selig’s idiotic post season extension has one small benefit

  120. John Delcos November 5, 2009 12:21 am

    Dan (119): Right …. small.-JD

  121. edfever November 5, 2009 12:24 am

    JD – you going to the winter meetings

  122. John Delcos November 5, 2009 12:26 am

    ed (121): I don’t know yet. There’s a good possibility of it. They are right around the corner.-JD

  123. edfever November 5, 2009 12:35 am

    if you want to do some sort of live chat let me know – I’ll assist whether on phone or one of the sites

  124. John Delcos November 5, 2009 12:37 am

    ed (123): I’d love to … anytime is fine by me. During the offseason I’d like to do at least one a week. I also intend to post daily over the winter.-JD

  125. John Delcos November 5, 2009 12:39 am

    Ed … why don’t you post the link to your site.-JD

  126. edfever November 5, 2009 12:40 am

    great sounds good – I also meant more specifically about the winter meetings – maybe set up a time at night get a chatter box – if you go talk about the rumors you pick up etc..

  127. edfever November 5, 2009 12:41 am

    I think everyone here knows Im the knucklehead behind Mets Fever

  128. John Delcos November 5, 2009 12:42 am

    ed (126): We’ll iron out the details, but sure … I’d like to do that.-JD

  129. edfever November 5, 2009 12:45 am

    what did Rollins predict the Phillies would win in 5 and now he’s the last out

  130. John Delcos November 5, 2009 12:45 am

    Five World Series rings for Rivera, Posada, Pettitte and Jeter. Pretty impressive.-JD

  131. John Delcos November 5, 2009 12:47 am

    NINTH INNING: Girardi looks so calm.-JD

  132. Dan Gurney November 5, 2009 12:49 am

    Money can’t buy happiness but it can buy championships.

  133. Annie Savoy November 5, 2009 12:50 am

    Congratulations to the New York Yankees – the 2009 World Series Champions

    Final Score Yankees:7 Phillies: 3

    Thank you for joining us for the baseball post season games.

    Happy Holidays to you all.

    See you next year.

  134. edfever November 5, 2009 12:51 am

    I’m glad they beat the Phillies and that A-Rod broke through otherwise bring on the hot stove

  135. edfever November 5, 2009 12:53 am

    JD gonna run we’ll work something out i definately want to do soemthing weekly and over the three days of the winter meetings.. Hype it up between the two sites maybe bring in a few more bloggers I have contract with

  136. John Delcos November 5, 2009 12:55 am

    POST GAME ANALYSIS: Charlie Manuel stayed too long with Pedro Martinez and that changed the complexion of the game. Hideki Matsui and Andy Pettitte, both perhaps playing their final game as Yankees, were superb. The Phillies had their chances, both tonight and in the Series, but couldn’t capitalize. They didn’t do the things they did last year against the Rays. Clearly, they were the better team.-JD

  137. John Delcos November 5, 2009 12:59 am

    POST GAME NOTE: Seven minutes after the final out was a commercial hawking World Championship T-shirts and caps. Amazing.-JD

  138. Dan Gurney November 5, 2009 1:26 am

    The Yankee players were changing into World Champion shirts and wearing hats in the interviews. Anything to get a few dollars into the Steinbrenner coffers.

  139. Steve The Original November 5, 2009 11:34 am

    (138) Dan: ALL teams do that, not just the Yankees. Mets in 2000 after the won the NLCS got caps and shirts on the field as did the Mets when they won the NL East in 2006. It’s pretty much standard fare now.

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