This day in baseball history ….

On this day ....

On this day ....

On this day in 1985, on the day following his scuffle with a patron in the Cross Keys Inn bar in Baltimore, Yankees manager Billy Martin has his right arm broken by pitcher Ed Whitson the next morning.

We talked about Milton Bradley yesterday, which makes me wonder how he and Martin would have interacted with each other. I have a feeling it would be worse than his relationship with Reggie Jackson. Martin would have to be the manager of the all bad-guy team.

George Steinbrenner kept going back to Martin. Each time it was “going to be different,” but it never was. Martin was a quick fix kind of guy. He turned teams around right away, which makes me believe that type of fiery personality is what could be needed for the Mets.

MARTIN: Five times a Yankee manager.

MARTIN: Five times a Yankee manager.

However, the danger of a quick fix manager is they become super novas and burn themselves out. If and when the Mets make another managerial change, they need to go with a commanding presence, a guy who doesn’t have to be a simmering volcano, but one that demands respect and doesn’t take any crap.

The team needs a disciplinarian type, a man who would make a player shiver just by his stare. They said Gil Hodges was that way. Joe Torre is that way as is Tony La Russa. Above all, they need somebody with success on his resume, somebody who has the ring his players do not.

14 thoughts on “This day in baseball history ….

  1. Tiffany (1): A very pointed question. … In the back of every manager’s mind, he must have the inner confidence that says, “I’ll be different. … I can turn it around.” … Such a manager would work for the Wilpons and the chance to be a star in New York. What’s not known is if such a manager would be available.-JD

  2. Can you name any manager fitting that Hodges-Torre-La Russa ilk who has ever been hired by the Wilpons? Davey Johnson, Bud Harrelson and Willie Randolph were all first-time managers; Jeff Torborg, Art Howe and Jerry Manuel were low-profile administrators; Bobby V. had a little of Billy Martin in him, but couldn’t find a job anywhere else in baseball. The closest thing to this description was Dallas Green, who was over the mountain and through the woods en route to grandmother’s house by the time they hired him.

    At the end of the day, I don’t think the Wilpons are willing to sacrifice or share their power with a strong-willed outsider. Steve Phillips recently said as much, when noting that all of their GM hires since Frank Cashen have essentially been in-house promotions of guys willing to work within the Wilpon family dysfunction.

  3. Tiffany (3): Not all those managers you mentioned were hired by the Wilpons.

    The most important thing you said is you didn’t think the Wilpons would be willing to sacrifice or share their power. If this is true and they can’t share the spotlight, then this team will be forever doomed.-JD

  4. I’m confused: Are you considering Nelson Doubleday to be something different from the Wilpons? The Wilpon-Doubleday group purchased the franchise in 1980; all those I’ve referenced were subsequent to that date, no?

  5. It’s a shame no one ever arranged a pay per view fight between Alfred Manuel Martin and Woody Hayes, the two most boorish thug managers-coaches ever. But both those guys pale before Leo Durocher, who once had an Ebbets Field bouncer hold an “unruly fans” hands behind his back while the Lip worked him over with brass knuckles. Durocher paid $7500 to settle out of court.
    This is the longest of longshots but has anyone ever approached former Twins manager Tom Kelly about coming out of retirement? He’s not that old at 59. I had thought he was from New Jersey but he’s listed as born in Graceville, Minnesota and was a Twin as a player (mostly minors) and manager. Maybe it’s better to have a guy who played in New York which has been the Mets modus operandi since Casey Stengel. Suppose he manages the Mets and wins a world series. Wouldn’t that virtually guarantee him entry into Cooperstown? Would that be a carrot to mention to him, plus the chance to work for an organization that keeps telling us is not hurt by Madoff?

  6. (9) I don’t know — what’s the sense in dreaming about competent management when the chances are slim to none that such people would ever get together with the Wilpons?

    Think of the chain-of-command issues which exist within this organization. Remember Leiter and Franco having the direct pipeline to the front office? The latin players going behind Willie’s back to Tony “Let’s Fight Dirty” Bernazard? Bobby V. and Apodaca working in tandem to sack Joe Mac? It’s like an ugly family business; actually, it _is_ an ugly family business. And I can’t see anyone with integrity wanting to join it.

  7. 11.. Omar was a genius just a few short months ago when he made the trade for the damaged Putz and the hapless Green. And how many were against Jerry just a few short months ago?

    Murphy stock up…. TRADE TRADE TRADE
    Francouer stock up.. TRADE TRADE TRADE

  8. not sure about the genius thing.

    there were quite a few here who wanted more in the offseason.

    I for one wanted a pitching upgrade. the relief stuff was fine, but the starters are where it is at. We returned the same crew and got the same results.

    Who here thought having a minor league 1b/dh be your everyday lf?

    there also was no bench depth. Cora was recognized as a good all around 2b/ss but where else did we have depth?

    The minors was stuffed with players pushing 40 that no one else wanted.

    Yes, I thought that Jerry was an upgrade over Willie, but he also did not run down his players last year, nor did he have ADD when filling out his lineup.

  9. Good answers… However, you must admit one was game when criticizing the great Omar and even more game when complaining that all Jerry was good for was playing with the beat writers.