Comments on: Phillies add Lee ….

By: dave

dave — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:29:09 +0000

Steve(3)

The point about this team I think is that in the offseason there were real questions about the OF. Some here questioned both corners.

Delgado’s health has been a question the past 2 years and both Maine and Ollie were not what you would consider money players.

For all the faults of the pen a large part of their collapse was the poor starting pitching. How often did the pen have to show up in the 6th inning or earlier?

My biggest problem with Omar is he is a gambler. He seems to have gambled every year he has been here. In 06 the dice almost worked and got everyone excited. In the past 3 years ( I include this one ), it has blown up in spectacular fashion.

We have had one of the biggest collapses in major league history. Every year it seems our core players get hurt. In the offseason we had 3 starting pitchers have surgery. One of them we signed after we knew he needed surgery.

How can you return the same inept pitching rotation when 3/5 of your rotation has questions because of offseason surgery. Omar did not go out and get one solid, reliable starting pitcher who can get you 200 innings and double digit wins. Instead we got coin flip. He who went down to the minors because he was so bad. He who cannot finish half a game. And then there is Maine who may be gone for the season.

Injuries seems to be the plan of our GM. It is baked into the team. We cannot expect miracles, especially when it is harder to cheat with chemicals.

By: Tiffany

Tiffany — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:59:02 +0000

Knapp is the real suspect in this deal, because he’s down in A ball. The other three — Marson, Carrasco and Donald — are real, ready-for-primetime prospects. And two of them are position players, to boot.

By: Harry Chiti

Harry Chiti — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:50:55 +0000

18. Sure the Mets made a great deal. The Phillies have built a great pitching staff to go along with great offense. We have Johan and two great chokes. Yeah, we did the best. The Phils gave up a bunch of suspects, just like the Mets did. Every fan unhappy with a trade made by a rival says they gave up too much. Fact is, Phils gave up nothing and improved themselves, something the Mets haven’t done at the trading deadline in Omar’s entire time here.

By: Tiffany

Tiffany — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:37:23 +0000

Happ is having a fine year, but he projects as a middle-of-the-rotation guy — he’s not nearly the prospect that Carrasco is.

The Phils gave up two of their three best pitching prospects, their best catching prospect (and he’s a very good catching prospect, too) and a shortstop prospect with pop.

Granted, they got themselves a Cy Young winner, but I’d compare this package with the one the Mets surrendered to get Santana any day of the week.

By: Ray Sadecki

Ray Sadecki — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:59:00 +0000

16. Well, that would complete the circle wouldnt it?

By: Harry Chiti

Harry Chiti — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:42:13 +0000

Sadecki: I’d want the yankee or Red Sox Docs to check out Kazmir before I’d bite. His numbers are horrible this year. We might be getting Victor back in a Kazmir jersey.

By: Harry Chiti

Harry Chiti — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:40:59 +0000

12. Talent on the low level. That is such a crap shot. Its hard to tell when they make AA and AAA what they will become.
I think Steve and Sadecki under estimate just how strong the Phillies have become the last 2 years. Last years they needed a closer and hit the kackpot with Lidge, then in mid season needed a 4 guy and got Blanton. People in NY knocked them but the Phillies only won by 3 games and he was the upgrade to put them over the top since Minaya’s upgrade, or was it downgrade was Alicia.
Now they lost Meyers and added a 1-2 to go with Hamels, and JA Happ looks like he’s for real. So next Spring they have Hamels, Lee, Meyers, Happ, Blanton and the old fart Moyers and can moce Meyers back to the pen where he wants to be and they still have their # 1 prospect Drabek ready as well for trade or to join the rotation. They suddenly have a pitching staff and they have depth, and we have guys on the low end of the system.

By: Gil In Orlando

Gil In Orlando — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:28:13 +0000

Can’t hate on the Phillies for wanting to improve themselves. In fact, I admire what they’ve done. They obviously have the Minor League depth the Mets lack to go out and make a deal as they did, to get Cliff Lee.
Unlike the Yankees, who merely back up Steinbrenner’s Brinks truck to get who they want, the Phillies gave up some very promising young talent. Who can begrudge the Phillies that?

By: Ray Sadecki

Ray Sadecki — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:22:17 +0000

I am seeing many reports that rays want to trade Kazmir. Any takers?

By: John Delcos

John Delcos — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:01:45 +0000

Ray (10): This is a very precarious time for the Mets. There IS young talent on the lower levels, but will they be patient and let it develop or be forced into a panic move? They have the financial resources to patch some 9f the holes in the FA market until it develops.-JD