METS CHAT ROOM: Game #71; Santana tries to rebound.

CHAT ROOM

CHAT ROOM

See how easy this game is when you score double-digit runs and don’t give up any? They can’t all be like last night. Johan Santana attempts to get back on track this afternoon against St. Louis.

Here’s today’s line-up:

Alex Cora, SS
Luis Castillo, 2B
David Wright, 3B
Ryan Church, RF
Fernando Tatis, LF
Fernando Martinez, CF
Nick Evans, 1B
Omir Santos, C
Johan Santana, LP

This post was written by John Delcos on June 25, 2009

205 Comments so far

  1. John Delcos June 25, 2009 1:12 pm

    I expect Johan to bounce back from his homer-laden outings to the Yankees and Rays.-JD

  2. pgershon June 25, 2009 1:15 pm

    Here we go again. Murphy sits again while Tatis plays vs RHP. Tomorrow we get LHP, so Murphy’s reward for Monday’s HR is to ride the pine W, Th and F.

    Nice to see Pujols pop out on 3-0 pitch.

  3. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 1:29 pm

    While Carpenter has been so good against the rest of the league, he hasn’t really overwhlemed the Mets. The Mets beat up on him twice in the ‘06 NLCS, handing him one loss.

  4. pgershon June 25, 2009 1:33 pm

    Santana can’t throw strikes. He can’t win without command.

  5. SteveC. June 25, 2009 1:34 pm

    what happened to the reward system jerry was supposed to have? oh thats right.. that only impacts the spanish players.
    (yeah yeah i know).. but come on… drop a ball get a start?

    hit a HR get the bench?

    puhlease..

  6. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 1:35 pm

    Boy, Johan is all over the place this inning.

  7. SteveC. June 25, 2009 1:35 pm

    how was that picth a ball?

  8. pgershon June 25, 2009 1:36 pm

    Walk the #2 hitter to face Pujols with bases loaded. He is 5-5 this season

  9. SteveC. June 25, 2009 1:37 pm

    2 of those pitches were miss called. but then again i am lookin at the play from the website.

  10. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 1:37 pm

    Steve C: I recall Ryan Church starting the next day after failing to touch third base, which cost the Mets a game. I recall J.J. Putz being summoned the next day after imploding on the mound. Either of thse two guys from Latin America?

  11. pgershon June 25, 2009 1:37 pm

    5-6

  12. SteveC. June 25, 2009 1:38 pm

    fly out. do that all day!

  13. SteveC. June 25, 2009 1:39 pm

    (10) Gil – Church is Jerry’s whipping boy. i was amazed he got to play the next day as well.
    and Putz is a pitcher..it isnt like he has a choice not to play…if he needs the arm.

  14. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 1:41 pm

    No way F-Mart swung at that pitch. Please.

  15. SteveC. June 25, 2009 1:42 pm

    bloody carpenter

  16. SteveC. June 25, 2009 1:44 pm

    ok top of the order next inning. Johan will hit a HR ;-)
    stir the pot. carpenter will then collapse :-)

  17. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 1:45 pm

    Steve: Manuel had a choice whether to play Church the next day after his monumental mental error. He played him. I would’ve benched anyone’s ass the next day, no matter what their ethnicity, religion, skin color, sexual orientation, if they made such an egregious error. Manuel played Church anyway.
    Manuel certainly had a choice to use a reliever other than Putz after his implosion against the Pirates cost the Mets a game. But he used Putz. I wouldn’t have.

  18. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 1:48 pm

    Hear that, everyone? Carlos Delgado was in the house today and in Kevin Burkhardt’s words “looks in great shape” and was carrying a bat. Sounds like some good news.

  19. SteveC. June 25, 2009 1:48 pm

    (17) Regardless. Jerry is not even handed on his punishements. And whether you want to admit or not. The latin’s have his favor at the moment. I am just calling the way it is. I hated when Bobby V had his love affair with Leiter.

  20. SteveC. June 25, 2009 1:49 pm

    Santana is not being given that bottom of the plate. carpenter has gotten a good call both times.

  21. SteveC. June 25, 2009 1:56 pm

    Kalil green reminds me of Spicoli. (sean penn)

  22. pgershon June 25, 2009 1:57 pm

    We are getting no calls. Swinging at the ball that drops out of strike zone but taking the good ones. Pitch to Santos was outside.

  23. SteveC. June 25, 2009 1:58 pm

    nope. carpenter is getting all the lower half of the plate the same one santana pitches. but those are balls.

  24. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 1:58 pm

    19 Steve, your claim of Jerry Manuel (an African-American) being biased toward Latin American-born players is as ludicrous as it is baseless.
    That’d be like calling Gil Hodges, a white manager a racist for pulling black outfielder Cleon Jones from a 1969 game after the player was lazy in fielding a base hit, which allowed a runner to take an extra base.
    Ramon Castro, a Puerto Rican-born catcher was traded last month to make room for a white catcher, Brian Schneider, returning to the roster. Marlon Anderson, an African-American was released and Jeremy Reed, a white outfielder, was kept.
    The common denominator in all these decisions? Performance.
    The bottom line in baseball is winning and results, not skin color and national origin.

  25. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 1:59 pm

    21 Yes, Steve, “Spicoli” was Greene’s clubhouse nickname among his then-Padres teammates.

  26. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 2:01 pm

    Sure looks like the way that the Mets are swinging the bats today, that Carpenter has a pretty good shot at pitching a no-hitter today

  27. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:01 pm

    (24) I never said performance shouldnt be a factor. I am saying that Manuel has his favorites.
    And manuel has no say over who he loses .. that is all omar.
    And did you not see me complain about Bobby V. and al leiter?
    If you have been watching the games I have seen. you can see the unevenness of it all.

  28. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 2:02 pm

    A hit and a walk to the opposing pitcher is pretty unnacceptable…especially from the ace of the staff

  29. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:03 pm

    (26) sad but true.
    fricken guy is a machine.

  30. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:06 pm

    finally he gets a called strike. Thank you mr. Ump

  31. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:10 pm

    ok time for a hit and run.

  32. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 2:11 pm

    27 Steve, while it’s true every manager may have his favorites, managers most definitely are at least consulted by the GM on who they might move and at most are involved in those decisions.
    Do you not remember Rickey Henderson’s 2000 release coming after Bobby V told GM Steve Phillips “it’s either him or me?”
    But to accuse managers of having favorites based on ethnicity in today’s times is ridiculous. How would such bias help any manager win games and, more importantly, keep his job?
    Managers — and fans — base any favoritism on performance and attitude.
    Remember Bobby V’s love of backup catcher Vance Wilson? He liked him ’cause he was a gamer, not because he was white. Bobby didn’t replace Rickey with Filipino-American outfielder, Benny Agbayani, because Henderson was black.

  33. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 2:13 pm

    I’d like to see Church lay down one of his nice bunts up the third base line right here. At the very least, it’d move the runners into scoring position.

  34. pgershon June 25, 2009 2:15 pm

    Mr DP now

  35. pgershon June 25, 2009 2:16 pm

    I guess Jerry is a genius and I should hold my tongue. Would still prefer to see Mr. Murphy

  36. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 2:16 pm

    Wouldn’t this be a great spot for F-Mart to hit his first MLB homer?

  37. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:17 pm

    2 men on base.
    (32) considering the number of latinos on our team now. and the fact the bulk of them are in Jerry’s favor. I was making an observation based on the ones that can do no wrong and get the bulk of the play time.
    if you wish to see that asa racist comment so be it. I , however am not a racists. I believe in fairness. and as you said i believe in it being on performance.

    I cannot see how you sit a catcher after he hits 2 3 run hrs.
    Nor do i see why i man can drop a ball. and he plays the next day. or make a bad run home. and still get to play. but hey whatever. Its a game being played by millionares.

    the game is tied. yay..

  38. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:18 pm

    gee singles ae winning this game ;-)

  39. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:20 pm

    3-1. ok johan its up to you to keep the game where its at.

  40. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:22 pm

    BTW- i rather see Endy in Left field than Tatis. I still se it as a travesty that we lost him…

  41. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 2:24 pm

    37 Steve C: If you don’t want such a dicsussion on race, then why would you have brought up your accusation of Manuel favoring Latino players?
    It’s incredible to me that this wasn’t at all an issue with many fans when the Mets had white GMs, white managers and mostly white players, but as soon as the Mets have a Latino GM, mostly Latino players and African-American field managers, it becomes one.
    Who cares what the ethnic makeup of the damn team is, from the front office to the field?! I care about fielding championship-claiber, exciting team and I wouldn’t give a damn if the Mets were 25 gay, Zoroastran little people managed by a heavy-set woman.
    Just win, baby!

  42. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:28 pm

    I agree i want them to win. and second off. I wanted willie as a manager and to succeed. and i liked manuel as well. What i stopped liking was manuel not being consistent.
    He says he reqards and punishes based on performance. But i have yet to see the rhyme or reason.

    and my issue with the latinos/asians. I rather they were latinos from america and not outside the country. I rather a citizen earning my hard earned dollars.
    ;-)

    Lets go mets go.. we are finally up a few runs!

  43. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 2:29 pm

    Glad to see that I am the one responsible for Carpenter’s no hit bid going up in smoke. And Steve C, a homer by Tatis would have given the Mets 3 runs right away instead of having to depend on someone else to do it. Once again, your logic is flawed.

  44. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:29 pm

    see that. the offense put him up 2 runs. and we have a 1,2,3 inning well done Santana! keep it going.

  45. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 2:30 pm

    40 Travesty? Steve C, you’ve got to be kidding. Endy is currently batting a very pedestrian .273. Yeah, he was a defensive whiz and was fun to watch and made the best catch in Mets’ history, but I doubt very seriously any other Mets fan is mourning “losing” Endy the way we mourned dealing Tom Seaver, Dave Kingman, Lenny Dykstra, Mookie Wilson or Rusty Staub.

  46. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:30 pm

    If my logic was flawed. we wouldnt be winning. 3 singles helped us get there…
    not a hopefully long hit by tatis???? 400 feet? i think not.

  47. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:32 pm

    (45) wait a second. you are talking apples and pineaples. I never put endy in the shadow of those 5.
    But i rather Endy than Ansderson.

  48. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 2:34 pm

    Endy is out for the season and was a player who could never be an everyday type of guy because he was always exposed when he played too much. I’d rather have Steve C in the OF than Marlon Anderson by the way. Anyway, Jeremy Reed is just as good defensively as Endy was and serves the 4th OF job very well.

  49. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 2:34 pm

    42 Steve, I respect your opinion, as unbelievably xenophobic as it sounds.
    First, Puerto Ricans ARE U.S. citizens, as the island is a U.S. Territory.
    Second, are you telling me you’d be willing to not have Jose Reyes, Francisco Rodriguez, Johan Santana on the Mets because they’re not American citizens?
    Would you prefer not enjoying the talents of Ichiro Suzuki and other Japanese-born players, because they’re not American citizens?

  50. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:35 pm

    Steve-O.. why thanks, i play a better RF though ;-) and you are correct reed is doing well.

  51. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:38 pm

    (49) i am not xenophobic. What i dont undertsand is we go outside the ocuntry instead of looking in our own back yard.
    And PR is an independent protectorate(Commonwealth). they are not United States Citizens. per se.

  52. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 2:39 pm

    47 Anderson? He’s not even on the team, Steve. How can you compare Endy with him? The direct comparison is Endy vs. Jeremy Reed, both of whom are left-handed fielding, left-handed hitters who are known more for their defensive skills.

  53. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:40 pm

    um Marlon was on the team. and playing left field. or did i dream all that ;-)

  54. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:42 pm

    damn. 3-2
    *sigh* need a few insurance runs.

  55. dave June 25, 2009 2:42 pm

    manuel certainly has his favorites. i do not know if it is racial or not.

    do not really care. but it is very curious that for a team that is not playing well, to sit a player who is currently hot for a player who is cold.

    of the 3 tatis/evans/murphy there is not much difference in lf. they are all not good.

    however evans came up and is hitting well and murphy seems to be hitting better as well.

    at the beginning of the season murphy and church were starting and both hitting well. murphy made many bad plays in the field and his hitting suffered. both he and church were yanked from the linuep and it does not seem that the coach likes church.

    sheff played and tatis was on the bench.

    i think manuel has done a horrible job making out the lineup card this year.

    is this why he was fired in chicago?

    as for the this day and age thing.

    every manager has their biases. i have been on both sides of it. sometimes it is ethnic or gender. sometimes not.

    it happens. it still does.

  56. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 2:43 pm

    51 Steve, sorry to disappoint you, but Puerto Ricans are in fact, U.S. citiens, by law. And how can you say your views aren’t xenophobic when you just said you prefer American-born players instead of ones born outside the U.S.?
    Thank God you’re not the MLB commish, or Santana, Reyes and K-Rod would not only not be Mets, but they wouldn’t be in the Major Leagues. Do you feel the same way about the diversity in the NBA?
    And believe me, Steve, if there WERE enough better American-born players than ones born outside the country, don’t you think they’d a) be getting signed and b) be outperforming the foreign-born players?

  57. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 2:45 pm

    Steve C: The Mets traded Endy in December –for Reed.
    Marlon Anderson was released in March. Anderson was kept until then because of his pinch-hitting skills, not for his outfield defense. Endy and Anderson didn’t have similar roles. How many times was Anderson ever inserted as a defensive replacement?

  58. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:46 pm

    56- Easy because i am an american. regardless of my nationalities of the past. I am sorry if being a proud american makes me xenophobic.
    And though Puerto ricans were granted citizenship , it isnt 100%. To be be full citizens they have to reside in the US.
    ergardless , i really dont care as I hate everyone equally.
    I just believe in fairness…and honestly i rather see our taz dollars stay in the US. i am very tired of people in this country loses jobs and houses etc. to others..
    because they work “cheaper” or whatever…
    its a corporate ideology i am against. and nothing more. I also do believe we have great talent in our farms.

  59. John Delcos June 25, 2009 2:49 pm

    Very interesting reading you guys over the last half hour.-JD

  60. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:50 pm

    hey JD. 3-2. we are still winning because singles dont win games ;-)

  61. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 2:52 pm

    58 Yeah, right. So, by your logic, Venezuelan-born Johan Santana is working “cheaper” than an American-born player who could do the same job. LOL!
    Since when is displaying favoritism to other American-born people a component of being a proud American, anyway?
    Please tell me what American-born workers in say, California, right now would take the barely-above-minimum-wage, crap fruit-picking jobs that undocumented workers have?
    Zero.

  62. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:54 pm

    (61) the homeless would gladly take those jobs as would others at the poverty level. but tehy cant because they get driven out by the illegals. and thats a whole different argument. how do we go from legitemate players to illegals?
    I think i need a ruling from teh ump. i think you balked. ;-)

  63. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 2:55 pm

    Whoa! Shaq just got traded from the Heat to the Cavs.

  64. Harry Chiti June 25, 2009 2:56 pm

    STEVE C> Don’t let that AMERICA HATER GIL the Traitor bait you. He hates America and he hates anyone who believes in patriotism. He is lucky he lives in a wonderful country like ours, that allows traitors to thrive and speak their disgusting minds so freely. Unfortunatelty, sickos like Gil will never comprehend this. He’s truly pathetic.

  65. SteveC. June 25, 2009 2:58 pm

    64- harry. easy buddy. there’s no reason to get mean. and there’s no proof he;s a traitor. just slow up. we were having a civilized discussion. at least i was .. ;-)
    I appreciate teh support but not to the defamation of another who as of yet did nothing to deserve it.

  66. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 2:59 pm

    Steve C: I lived in San Diego for 10 years. Know how many homeless American-born men and women I saw standing on corners, awaiting trucks that would take them on paid, day labor assignments?
    NONE.
    Know how many homeless American-born people I ever saw working the fields in those 10 years?
    NONE.
    This is not at all to typecast homeless people, as I encountered many of them trying their best to get back on their feet and work. But NONE of them were trying to do the agricultural work that undocumented workers were doing, so your claim that “illegals” are taking jobs away is as false as your assertion that foreign-born ballplayers are taking away those jobs from American-born ones.

  67. Annie Savoy June 25, 2009 3:00 pm

    John (59) I’ve been in my office clearing out my files because I’m so nervous about this game – I want Santana to win.

  68. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:00 pm

    Steve C: Don’t mind Harry. He hasn’t been the same since he stopped taking his meds. He also desperately needs psychotherapy

  69. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:02 pm

    I am on the east coast and evry day i see people not get work, over illegals. I also have friends lose their jobs to offshored workers. Its a very touchy subject. and do you know why american born workers dont stand out there for the labor. the illegals chase them off.
    but this is a mets blog. not a nationalists blog. however its close because the mets are a natonal league team :-D

  70. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:03 pm

    fricken capenter is a bleeding machine.
    come on santana hold on to this win.

  71. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:03 pm

    69 And we also play the Nationals 18 times a year! :)

  72. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:03 pm

    Gil (68): Throwing a little high heat there, Gil? You don’t need to do that.-JD

  73. dave June 25, 2009 3:04 pm

    when i was out of a job, if i could get a job in the fields i would.

    in the current environment as with the last recession it is a buyers market.

    if you do not have the skills, look. age, whatever they go to the next person.

    corporations rather hire out of college anyway because they are new and can mold them and they will work 100 hours and be happy to do it for the same pay.

    i understand the point about many unskilled jobs being filled by illegals. and there is a great point about that.

    part of it is that many on the dole rather collect their check and complain about their lot in life than go get something and improve their lot.

    i once worked with someone who had 3 jobs. all low level positions. he came from another country and over the years was able to buy a house and send his kids to college.

    if you come here from another place you ave energy. it takes guts and will to pick up and go someplace where you do not know the language or anyone and are afraid of the authorities. of course many times they are afraid of authorities at home too but that is another story.

  74. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:04 pm

    ok i missed this. why is feliciano picthing…
    oh yeah let me guess the pitch count..

  75. Annie Savoy June 25, 2009 3:04 pm

    C’mon guys – let’s talk baseball and pray that the Mets can hold this fragile lead for Santana – OK?

  76. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 3:05 pm

    Was it really necessary to take Santana out? I know it was 110 pitches, but could he have gone the 8th?

  77. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:06 pm

    thats what i just said Steve-O
    i cant stand this..

  78. dave June 25, 2009 3:06 pm

    so back to the game.

    it seems as if johan pitched well and the question is if the pen can hold a one run lead.

  79. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:07 pm

    can we at least agree we all hate the pitch count?

  80. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 3:07 pm

    Just a note on F-Mart. Even though he is totally lost at the plate, he does have a glide in his stride in the OF that reminds me of Darryl Strawberry.

  81. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:07 pm

    72 Well, JD, he’s the one that’s been calling me a “sicko,” a “traitor” and a “facsist.”
    I’m just indulging a raving ultranationalist zealot who’s thinking this is the World Wrestling Federation in the 1980s and is attempting to get me to play “Iron Sheik” to his “Sgt. Slaughter.”

  82. dave June 25, 2009 3:07 pm

    shouldnt reed or someone be in lf and cf?

  83. Annie Savoy June 25, 2009 3:08 pm

    Steve the O (76) I’ve always wondered about that – does the pitcher have the ‘right’ to over-rule the Manager in that decision. I’ve heard stories about Bob Gibson who would not leave until HE was ready to, and forbid his catcher Tim McCarver to ever even come to the mound.

  84. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:08 pm

    Steve (76): Didn’t Santana go into his funk after throwing a 120-pitch game?-JD

  85. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 3:08 pm

    Steve C: I’m watching on the computer so it’s kinda hard to tell. He might have asked out of the game too. Anyway, hopefully Feliciano holds on to the 8th.

  86. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 3:09 pm

    That was quick…good job by Feliciano

  87. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:09 pm

    Feliciano looked GREAT that inning.

  88. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:09 pm

    Annie (83): The manager always has the last say. Sometimes he gives in to the pitcher’s will.-JD

  89. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:09 pm

    81- tell me you just didnt say that about me. because i was very civil towards you and was discussing things with thought and passion. and defended your right to have the discussion.

  90. Annie Savoy June 25, 2009 3:09 pm

    Steve C (79) You can count me in on hating the pitch count – if Nolan Ryan is against it, that works for me, too.

  91. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:10 pm

    85- yeah i am watching via the computer as well. thats why i asked ;-)

  92. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:10 pm

    Gil (87): Everybody expected K-Rod to do well. A case can be made for Feliciano being the Mets’ most important reliever.-JD

  93. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:10 pm

    Steves: I score the games and am watching on TV and Santana had thrown in excess of 106 pitches. I don’t think he asked out. I think he had just done his day’s work.

  94. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:10 pm

    so who will be brought in to pitch the 9th?

  95. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:11 pm

    Gil the pitch count sucks. 106 pitches isnt a days work. 9 innnings is a days work.

  96. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:12 pm

    92 Just as Duaner Sanchez was the Mets’ most important releiver in ‘06.

  97. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:12 pm

    what? they took carpenter out! he was a fricken machien. bad call !

  98. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:12 pm

    Steve C (95): I think the same way. Too bad managers don’t. One hundred pitches seems the benchmark.-JD

  99. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:12 pm

    95 Steve C: having been raised on ’70s and ’80s baseball, I couldn’t agree more.

  100. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:13 pm

    gee a single.. ;-)

  101. Annie Savoy June 25, 2009 3:13 pm

    John (88) Have you ever read McCarver’s Book – “Baby I Love It”?

    His relationships with pitchers are very interesting – Gibson, Steve Carlton etc.

  102. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:13 pm

    Gil (96): They had a great pen that year. Don’t forget, Sanchez pitched four months. His loss was really felt. Darren Oliver and Aaron Heilman also pitched big out of the pen. As did Billy Wagner.-JD

  103. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:14 pm

    95 98 I think we can thank the guy in the opposing dugout at Citi Field for all the pitch count, reliever over-specialization, lefty-lefty, righty-righty crap.

  104. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:14 pm

    Annie (101): I have not. I heard it was very good.-JD

  105. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:15 pm

    Gil (103): You mean the guy with 2,500 wins? People are going to follow a guy that successful.-JD

  106. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:15 pm

    102 Oliver — who should’ve taken Steve Trachsel’s spot on the ‘06 post-season roster — is still pitching with the Angels today. Mets shouldn’t have let Chad Bradford walk away, either.

  107. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:15 pm

    105 Don’t forget LaRussa’s two DUIs, either.

  108. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:17 pm

    104 Darryl Strawberry’s book is VERY good. Talk about both a cautionary tale and one about dealing with and overcoming adversity.

  109. Jeff M. June 25, 2009 3:17 pm

    I was listening on the radio. Then I came home and started reading this blog. I have to go out again, so I’ll be listening to Howie and Wayne once again, but somehow I doubt they’re going to be having the same discussion that was going on here.

  110. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:18 pm

    *LMAO*

  111. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:19 pm

    Dennis Reyes isn’t likely to grace the cover of GQ anytime soon, is he?

  112. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 3:20 pm

    (102) JD: You forgot about Chad Bradford…also known as the guy they should have re signed instead of signing Schoenweis.

  113. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:20 pm

    ball in dirt did murphy have a chance to run?

  114. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:21 pm

    i miss turk wendell.

  115. Annie Savoy June 25, 2009 3:21 pm

    Jeff M (109) FYI – Steve Somers opened his program last night with ABBA’s ‘Fernando’

  116. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:22 pm

    112 Steve, have a heart…didja really have to bring up Schoeneweis?
    (Though his wife’s dying a few weeks back and what he must be going through now must be awful for him. He sure didn’t deserve that.)

  117. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:23 pm

    Steve (112): I absolutely did forget about him. Thanks. He should have gotten the three years. You are right.-JD

  118. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:23 pm

    blowenweiss was not a very good pitcher.

  119. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:24 pm

    114 Me, too! Loved the hunting trophies around his neck, the slamming of the resin bag and the toothbrushing between innings in the dugout…

  120. Annie Savoy June 25, 2009 3:24 pm

    Steve C (114) I do too, he had such lovely necklaces. :)

  121. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:24 pm

    Gil (116): I really felt bad for Schoeneweis. Both while he was here and with what happened with his wife. He tried to pitch injured but couldn’t do it.-JD

  122. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:25 pm

    BASES LOADED!

  123. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:26 pm

    This is why I can’t stand LaRussa’s managing. Are all these pitching changes really necessary? And it’s messing up my friggin’ scorebook!

  124. Annie Savoy June 25, 2009 3:26 pm

    John (104) check your library, they might have it – published in 1987.

  125. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:26 pm

    Schoenweiss suffered from what a lot of our current guys are suffering from, choke.

    turk was great. he had the perfect pitchers attitude.

    Gil – tatis is batting .257 and playing left. i will take endy with his .273 in lf. any day. :-P

  126. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:27 pm

    121 True, but wasn’t he also involved in taking PEDs?

  127. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:28 pm

    125 But, Steve, Reed, not Tatis is the Endy replacer. Plus, going on Tatis’s stats from last year, he had a better year than Endy did. Let’s go, Church!

  128. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:29 pm

    Gil (126): Yeah, but he was cleared for that.-JD

  129. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:29 pm

    then why isnt reed in lf?

  130. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:29 pm

    oh please walk a run in..

  131. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:30 pm

    Wonder why Jerry didn’t hit Sheffield for Church, then use Reed in right next inning?

  132. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:30 pm

    Gil why is Tatis in lf and not Reed?

  133. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:31 pm

    Steve C (129): Personally, I think Reed should be playing with F-Mart still in the minors.-JD

  134. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:31 pm

    Gil (131): Good question. Maybe Sheffield is still ailing.-JD

  135. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 3:31 pm

    Thats a bad way to keep out of the doghouse Ryan.

  136. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:31 pm

    Reed is doing a lot better than F-Mart thats is for sure.

  137. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:32 pm

    129 Steve C: Reed plays left with the same frequency that Endy did in years past, when the regular lineup was in.
    Oh and here goes friggin’ LaRussa AGAIN with another pitching change. How many friggin’ pitchers does he have on his roster, anyway?

  138. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:32 pm

    Or maybe he is saving Sheffield for extra innings.-JD

  139. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 3:32 pm

    (133) JD: I agree

  140. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:32 pm

    poor church. but he cant get out of a slump not playing every day. at least his fielding wins out,. But still. you need to get on base.

  141. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:33 pm

    Gil. tatis over Reed? pulease.
    –> 8th inning 4 pitchers.

  142. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:34 pm

    just need a single. but yes a HR would open the game wide open. but i’ll settle on a single.

  143. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:35 pm

    Steves: Well, Church got his chance. Manuel didn’t pinch-hit for him then. To be fair, Church has been playing a lot better lately. Nothing like his great first half last year, but definitely better than earlier this year.

  144. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 3:36 pm

    (140) Steve C: Church has started like 15 out of the last 16 games

  145. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:36 pm

    and thats where swinging for the fences gets ya. 3 out. :-(

  146. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:36 pm

    144 – i havent caught all the games. I just know when i turn the game on he aint playing.

  147. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 3:37 pm

    (142) Steve C: One thing we can agree on: Popouts to 1b don’t win games (unless it’s hit to Aubrey Huff) lol

  148. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:37 pm

    Fasten your seatbealts, everyone…

  149. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:37 pm

    I wonder if Church is out of the clean-up slot tomorrow. Probably, if Sheffield can play.-JD

  150. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:38 pm

    Speak of the Devil. in comes reed. i guess they didnt want a dropped ball to lose the game in the 9th ;-)

  151. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:38 pm

    Please no popups to Castillo…

  152. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:38 pm

    147- agreed brother agreed!

  153. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:39 pm

    ok so we all hate pitch counts and popouts .. ;-)

    we are mets fans!

  154. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:39 pm

    I hope Frankie blows Pujols away. None of this walking him crap. Mano a mano.

  155. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:40 pm

    YES!

  156. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:41 pm

    1 more!

  157. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:41 pm

    C’mon Frankie! Blow him away!

  158. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:41 pm

    how was that a ball?

  159. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:42 pm

    Come on! Where was that 1-0 pitch, blue?!

  160. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:42 pm

    Dammit, Frankie, go after his ass!

  161. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:43 pm

    is k_rod scared of Pujols?

  162. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:43 pm

    damn. i rather he hit him then walk him. Turk would have hit him ;-)

  163. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 3:43 pm

    I hate those two out walks…even to Pujols.

  164. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:43 pm

    Another disappointing thing about modern baseball. I hoped Frankie would’ve had the stones to challenge Pujols there. Pitchers are too freaking cautious these days.

  165. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:44 pm

    Please don’t pop one up to Castillo…

  166. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:44 pm

    i am starting to see a similarity to Benitez.

  167. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:45 pm

    7 balls in a row

  168. pgershon June 25, 2009 3:45 pm

    Turk was great. We have not replace his heart.

  169. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 3:45 pm

    Somehow I hear Bob Uecker saying: “Ball 8″

  170. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:46 pm

    166 Steve C: You’re not allowed to mention that guy’s name on this blog.

  171. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:46 pm

    he walked 2. jesus we have another armando benitez on our team.

  172. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:46 pm

    Gil (164): Stokes went after Pujols the other day and got the DP.-JD

  173. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:46 pm

    i said it twice!
    i hear choking from citi..

  174. pgershon June 25, 2009 3:46 pm

    Molina swung at that

  175. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 3:46 pm

    (166) Steve C: That’s Frankie’s MO…put batters on and get out of jams. He isn’t the quintessential 1-2-3 guy.

  176. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:47 pm

    9 balls

  177. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:47 pm

    175- doesnt mean i have to like it ;-)

  178. Gil In Orlando June 25, 2009 3:48 pm

    Damn. I was worried there. YES!

  179. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 3:48 pm

    Thank you Frankie

  180. pgershon June 25, 2009 3:48 pm

    I guess no better Cardinal to make final out than Yadier Molina…

    Pojols was so out at second too.

  181. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:48 pm

    hey steve-o. what won this game? singles.
    logic still flawed? ;-)

  182. Annie Savoy June 25, 2009 3:49 pm

    Howie has put this game ‘in the books’ It’s a win for Santana who needed one.

    Guess this means that everyone on the Mets really can Play This Game, not just the Big Boys.

    See you tomorrow.

  183. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:49 pm

    the umps gave all the calls to the cards today.
    the bottom half of the plae was off limits to Johan. all the running calls. we didnt get one.

  184. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:50 pm

    pgershon (180): A little late, though.-JD

  185. jim bmore June 25, 2009 3:50 pm

    just got home from work…saw frankie hold on..thank goodness

    good win and series win for the metsies…keep it going vs. the yanks

  186. jim bmore June 25, 2009 3:51 pm

    looking forward to seeing the highlights..sounds like johan pitched a good 7 after struggling a little early…big 2 rbi from evans

  187. Steve The Original June 25, 2009 3:52 pm

    (181) Yes it is because a grand slam by Tatis or a 3 run homer by Wright in the bottom of the 8th would have turned the game into an easy victory.

  188. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:52 pm

    that big swing is what caused the popout at 1st ;-)

  189. SteveC. June 25, 2009 3:53 pm

    regardless. a win is a win.

  190. John Delcos June 25, 2009 3:55 pm

    Steve C (189): It’s not like fishing where you have to throw some of them back.-JD

  191. jim bmore June 25, 2009 3:57 pm

    evans was playing OF in AAA…murphy was starting to hit…so whats jerry do??? sits murphy to mess up his timing again and plays tatis is left when evans could be a possibilty out there..i read tatis made a good grab out there but yanking playing time around is a real problem with jerry

  192. jim bmore June 25, 2009 3:59 pm

    singles and HRs win games..i dont really get the argument..they both are valuable and with the met lineup right now, any HRs will be a pleasant surprise

  193. dave June 25, 2009 4:04 pm

    we will see at the end of the season if frod is like benitez.

    he was great during the season until the pressure was on to win.

    not really what you want from a closer.

  194. SteveC. June 25, 2009 4:07 pm

    have a great one everyone.

  195. dave June 25, 2009 4:07 pm

    so they take the first series in the past month.

    do we start playing like we should or do we lose another 30 days worth of series and walk to the end of the line?

  196. jim bmore June 25, 2009 4:21 pm

    playing like we should?? starting 1B, SS, LF (sheff), CF, #3 and #4 pitchers, 8th inning guy, backup OF,……..etc with all those injuries, this team being only 1 GB now is incredible. i hope the team continues to fight and hopefully plays well with all thse guys out and stays close to the phils

  197. dave June 25, 2009 4:28 pm

    just heard a quote about the coach talking about evans.

    if he is going to hit he is going to play.

    there are several members of the team who wish this were true.

  198. dave June 25, 2009 4:32 pm

    196

    yes playing like we should

    we have an ace, arguably the best reliever in the game, an all star 3rd baseman, quality 2b and ss. a slick fielding rf, quality #2/#5 pitchers and nieve who has been lights out.

    murphy seems to be hitting again and plays a decent 1b. a good catching tandem and enough depth in the pen.

    they need to want to win and not make bone head mistakes. their division is weak and they should win more games than they have.

    so yes. they need to play like they should

  199. Scott from Pelham June 25, 2009 5:06 pm

    Good win today, wish I could have been watching and posting.

    One comment could we stop the love for Chad Bradford already. Giving him a three contract would have been stupid.
    How can I say that.
    Has anyone looked at his 2009 stats.
    I guess not because he has spent the whole season on the DL.

  200. Jeff M. June 25, 2009 7:33 pm

    K-Rod nearly gave me a heart attack, listening on the radio…but so did many other Mets relievers I can recall. What’s important is, he got the job done.

    Scott (199) If Bradford were still with the Mets, “spending the whole season on the DL” wouldn’t have happened. Because Mets players don’t go on the DL until they sit around for several weeks or months with nobody able to figure out what’s wrong.

  201. Jeff M. June 25, 2009 7:36 pm

    p.s. I heard on the radio that Maine and Perez are both pitching for the Brooklyn Cyclones — Maine in an away game and Perez in Coney Island on Sunday. Didn’t pitchers who were rehabbing used to get starts in AAA, or at least AA? What’s the deal with playing them in A ball?

  202. dave June 25, 2009 9:59 pm

    because it’s brooklyn and it’s marketing and it is not about competition but about marketing and buzz..

  203. Steve The Original June 26, 2009 10:40 am

    (199) Scott: How did Bradford do in 2007 and 2008? He did a great job for the Mets in 2006 and deserved to come back. Don’t you think he would have fared much better than Bloenweis?

  204. SteveC. June 26, 2009 11:40 am

    If you ask me. I miss The Submariner..
    Then again I have an afinity towards side armers.

  205. jim bmore June 26, 2009 6:41 pm

    jerry starting tatis again tonight..no trust in murphy

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