METS CHAT ROOM: Game #59; Subway (yawn) Series returns.

CHAT ROOM

CHAT ROOM

Followers of this blog know of my disdain for interleague play and the Subway Series, which I consider a gimmick that has run its course. It was all downhill after the 2000 World Series.

The players put on a good front, but the truth is most don’t like the Subway Series because it throws them out of their routines. There’s nothing compelling about it anymore, and there’s no such thing as bragging rights.

HERNANDEZ: Has come up big for Mets.

HERNANDEZ: Has come up big for Mets.

The Mets enter the weekend on a down note after losing two of three to Philadelphia. The Mets are hanging around with a minimum of offense because of the losses of Jose Reyes and Carlos Delgado.

A big reason why they are hanging around is tonight’s starter, Livan Hernandez, who has provided the innings as a fifth starter. Hernandez is coming off a June 7 victory over the Washington Nationals in which he threw seven scoreless innings. Hernandez has a nifty 1.57 ERA over his last four starts, and has allowed three runs or less in seven of his last eight.

However, Hernandez is 0-3 with a 6.75 ERA in five career starts versus the Yankees. He goes against Joba Chamberlain.

Here’s tonight’s lineup:

Alex Cora, SS
Fernando Martinez, LF
Carlos Beltran, CF
David Wright, 3B
Ryan Church, RF
Gary Sheffield, DH
Daniel Murphy, 1B
Brian Schneider, C
Luis Castillo, 2B

209 thoughts on “METS CHAT ROOM: Game #59; Subway (yawn) Series returns.

  1. I agree. As we have discussed many times, our illustrious Commissioner makes decisions that are not in the best interests of the game.

    He does however know how to make the owners rich and is well rewarded for his efforts.

  2. Wow.

    Just realized the coach is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Both Church and Murphy are playing today.

    He must be beside himself to have to play both losers at the same time.

  3. I wish they would have day games.

    It would be nice to have an excuse to take a day off to go to a ballgame and arrive home before midnight.

    Weekends are usually too busy for me.

  4. keith is right. how come the mets were agressive in spring, but have not really been running once it counted?

  5. 10

    but still, castillo has been one of the most consistent players we have. we put the rookie with 10 ab in the #2 hole.

    I do not get it.

    i would think

    1. castillo
    2. cora

    and fmart someplace else.

  6. 14

    I understand that. but this is a team that supposedly wants to win. we are not the nats or pirates.

  7. wow

    bases loaded. time for these guys to bring them in.

    If my daughter can hit an inside the infield 3 run home run, they can score someone with only one out.

  8. Hurray! Our offense clears the bas… er, draws a walk. Whatever! It ties the game!

  9. Three walks and two hit batsmen. Not sure the Mets can keep this pace up for another inning.

  10. mr 350 strikes out looking.

    i thought i heard something recently where the team was third in the league in batting average with runners in scoring position.

  11. We have “the lead.” But playing in the New Bandbox, Livan better throw a lot of ground balls. A one-run lead isn’t going to last very long in this place if they get the ball in the air.

  12. 34. Dave, According to Howie a couple of nights ago. The Mets were first with risp. But they are near last w risp 2 outs and pathetic with bases loaded. See how funny stats can be?

  13. (37) Go figure? All you have to do is see that Wright is hitting over .360, yet still seems to do nothing with men on base.

  14. 38

    my boss used to complain about the player on the other ny team being mr inconsequential.

  15. Its gonna be a looong night for the Metsies. Livan isnt pitching to the Nats now. Tex a great pickup for the Yanks.

  16. (39) I’m amazed he’s hitting .361 w/RISP. But that .222 with bases loaded at least shows I’m not entirely imagining it.

  17. yeah.

    the strikeout should not have happened. at least swing at a pitch in the middle of the plate.

  18. Once again, we face the mystery: both teams have to play in the same park. If the Yankees can hit them over the fence, why can’t the Mets?

  19. so they talk about the nice exhibit at yankee stadium for their heroes of years past.

    what does shea have? oh yeah. nothing.

  20. dave (48): Don’t get me started. Shameful that they don’t have a Mets museum. They honor Jackie Robinson but not their own. The Mets don’t have the history of the Yankees, but they do have a history worth honoring.-JD

  21. 46/47

    because we only have 2 legit hitters on the team and one gets tight in tough situations and the other cant hit curve/sliders with 2 strikes?

  22. (48) Assume you meant Citi. Shea REALLY has nothing. Yeah, when Gary or whoever it was said “Nice job by the Yankees celebrating their history” you could hear him stop himself short, because he knew the next line was “compared to the crap job at Citi Field.”

  23. JD (49) Mets are counting on Joba showing more of his repertoire. He hasn’t balked yet.

  24. john,

    yes. they have the 60’s/70’s teams and then the mid 80’s teams

    and the ones in the late 90’s/ 2000 wasn’t too bad either.

    seaver is a hall of famer. mookie was a fan favorite. doc was the next cy young…

  25. Who will be the first Met to go on the DL because of a shoulder injury from resting their bats there?

  26. 53

    i hate the name.

    esp since it is named after a failed conglomerate that i have to bail out.

    i wont say the name.

  27. I was just scanning the games.

    I notice dunn has 17 hr and 44 rbi’s.

    we could use those kind of numbers on this team.

  28. 4-3 is not going to do it. Still nobody out. HAVE to score more runs this inning.

  29. nah

    keith said it.

    throw a hanging breaking ball to a hitter that has a slow bat and that is what happens.

    both keith and ron are saying the same thing.

    it was a gift and thankfully he made them pay.

  30. i had heard that the yankees dont have a pen before mariano.

    i hope that is still true.

  31. We were all wrong. jerry is a master planner. Just keep on taking on Joba, get his pitch count up and here comes Tomko. Wow.

  32. from what i hear it is the same price at shea.

    but it looks good.

    considering hot dogs are 5 or 6 dollars, i would pay that for a nice slab of meat rather than ground up mystery animal parts.

  33. (87) If they were Hebrew National, they couldn’t be mystery animal parts. But I think they’re Nathan’s.

  34. You knew Livan couldn’t get away with those fly balls forever — not when an actual hitter gets hold of one.

  35. arent all dogs made of bones, ears, nose, other unmentionable parts, bone, brain,etc?

  36. livan aint pitching a complete game shutout, but he aint getting blown out either.

  37. 94

    i dont blame the ump.

    he showed up the ump.

    i know todays players think they are the center of the universe, but in years past the ump was the boss and pitchers did not let hitters own the inside part of the plate or stare at a home run.

  38. let us see.

    he promised both corner infielders that it was their job and before either did anything to really lose it they were benched for players that did not prove they were better.

    oh yeah, he also benched tatis.

  39. John (103) Yankees have the tying runs on — now I feel like I’M at the dentist.

    At least the dentist can give you novacaine.

  40. More of last night. Stokes is still the forgotten man. Switzer is in because .?.?. Why not Takahashi?

    Let Stokes or Green pitch.

  41. And now I feel like I’ve had a tooth extraction without any painkiller at all.

  42. Omar is pathetic. Biemel and other loogys were out there forever this winter.

  43. (112) Murphy did make a nice play. Now he needs to hit a homer too or it won’t mean squat.

  44. Ryan Howard homered in the 9th to tie up the Red Sox. Need the Mets to do something to build on Sheffield’s start here or the pain will get worse…

  45. For what its worth, comment 107 written before the HR, 109 afterwards.

    These guys are very hard to watch.

    Glad to see Murph hit the lefty. Very surprised Jerry gave him the chance.

  46. what did i say the mets do with a runner on 3rd and no outs?

    oh yeah. no hits, no long fly balls, no runs.

  47. At least they tie it. Tatis has been every bit as unclutch as he was clutch last year. I still think Mets win division last year but for Tatis injury.

  48. The way Jerry is going lately he should pull a George Costanza, ask, what do I think is the right decision? and then do the complete opposite.

  49. Ron says “this is like a Red Sox – Yankee game: lots of offense, back and forth…” Is he watching the same game? The Red Sox have offense. The Mets have runs scored on walks and double plays, with an odd hit thrown in on rare occasions.

  50. Hey JD: It’s the bottom of the 7th. Will you have to leave for the dentist before the game is over?

  51. in the spring i saw him throw some real wild pitches and did not think he would be any good.

    then early this year he pitched very well and thought i was mistaken…

  52. Do you think if we had a lottery machine that randomly selected relievers at a given situation, we’d be better off than with Jerry Manuel? Maybe make a rule that Krod is always the ninth.

  53. we already have a 3rd baseman who puts up good numbers except when it counts.

    and he costs 20 million less.

  54. What kills me about Jerry and his handling of the Mets both this year and last is that he won’t pick a plan and stay with in. Going back to last year, one of his first pronouncement was that there would be defined roles in the pen. We all know what happened, but Jerry did not help the way he brought guys in and out in different situations. When Billy went down, a new closer was anointed daily. No way to build confidence.

    This year worse. Church and Murphy situations are most well known, but use of pen is head-scratching. He has a few guys who may be OK, and he declared them all “crossover” guys at the start of the year. Now he brings in journeymen rather than let Green or Stokes pitch to one lefty.

    No plan. Helter skelter management. No wins that wy.

  55. 135

    I dont blame him for the pen last year.

    they all sucked.

    today he could have brought in feliciano.

  56. Here we go again with the lefties. I hope the result is better this time. At least Feliciano is a real pitcher. Assume Parnell not available tonight.

  57. dave (145): Here comes Feliciano. You had to figure with the new lefty (here today, gone tomorrow?) that he’d save Feliciano for the eighth.-JD

  58. let me get this straight. with runners on and a lead you bring in a rookie.

    now we bring in feliciano? 2 innings late i think

  59. (143) Yeah, I couldn’t believe that, but now I’ve seen it with my own eyes. It’s just lucky they didn’t load the bases — then he’s at .222.

    (144) I don’t want to be greedy.

  60. they let these prima donnas do this so they do it again.

    the pitchers let the hitters own the inside half of the plate.

    baseball lets them go up there with armor.

    they enable them to do this.

  61. NO FUCKING WAY NOOOOOOOOOO. SORRY ANNIE. I HATE THIS TEAM RIGHT NOW. IT SUCKS TO BE A METS FAN.

  62. i want to hear the post game.

    the coach has no right to rip anyone. he is as much to blame as anyone.

  63. Tonight, the game in LA when Church didn’t touch third and the game the Pirates came back to win. The fly ball Murphy dropped in Florida to lose for Santana. All were crushing.-JD

  64. ill tell you, it was a pop up,

    arod pounded the bat on the plate, luus drifts to his left, the ball hits the sweet spot of the glove and manos de piedra has it pop out.

  65. JD, none of those were as crushing as this. Not after K-Rod put the winning runs on and battled all the way back, and finally induced the pop-up.

  66. DELCOS YOU CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND. YOU ARE NOT FROM NEW YORK. THIS IS A DISASTER. EVERY PLAYER WHO MAKES AN ERROR ON A ONE HANDED CATCH NEEDS TO BE BENCHED AND FINED.

  67. JD, two things:
    1) I’m afraid you have to take the (yawn) out of Subway Series.
    2) Enjoy the dentist. After this, it may be pleasant by comparison.

  68. 178. CMON JOHN YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE RAISED IN CLEVELAND AS AN INDIANS FAN. YOU ARE NOT EVEN A METS FAN.

  69. You know what the worst part is? If that had been F-Mart batting for the Yanks, the Mets would have won, because he’d still be standing there.

  70. Ray (181): I grew up in Cleveland, but was born in NY and spent all my early summers there and going to the Stadium and Shea. … I’m not a Mets fan. I’m not a fan of any team. I gave up that a long time ago.-JD

  71. 178. BORN NEXT TO YANKEE STADIUM AND COVERED THEM FOR HOW MANY YEARS? THESE GAMES MAY MEAN NOTHING TO WRITERS OR PLAYERS AS YOU SAY, BUT IT MEANS A HELL OF A LOT TO THE FANS !!!

  72. It’s not much, but if it makes anybody feel slightly better — the Red Sox scored 3 in the top of the 13th…

  73. A FEW MONTHS AGO, VACCARRO WROTE IN HIS BLOG ABOUT A FELLOW WRITER WHO AT THE LAST GAME AT SHEA LAST YEAR LOOKED AT THE UPSET AND CRYING FANS AT THE LAST GAME SAYING THE FANS WERE FOOLS TO GET SO WORKED UP ABOUT THIER TEAM. ANY IDEAS WHO THAT WRITER COULD BE, JOHN.

  74. How many ways can this team break my heart? Can they possibly recover from this?

  75. (191) The truth is, they’ll probably recover from it faster than the people here.

  76. 192 I CERTAINLY HOPE NOT. BUT I WONDER WITH SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS SUCH AS YOU WROTE TONIGHT ABOUT GIVING UP ON ROOTING FOR ANY TEAM A LONG TIME AGO.

  77. Ray (196): I covered baseball for over 20 years. You can’t afford to have a rooting interest to do that job. I can’t look at the game through the same eyes as you do.-JD

  78. You guys are probably right. They are or should be pros and bounce but good grief…its hard to take.

  79. Goodnight. Well, not good, but night, anyway.

    JD, if your dentist offers nitrous oxide, see if you can get any extra. Might need it for the rest of the weekend.

  80. I DONT KNOW JOHN, I GUESS I WILL DROP IT. YOU PHILOSOPHY MAY BE CORRECT FOR A NEWSPAPER WRITER, BUT AS A BLOGGER FOR METS FANS, WHO ARE THE MOST PASSIONATE FANS TO COME HERE AND POST EVERY DAY, YOUR APPROACH MAY NOT BE THE BEST.

  81. For those of you old enough to remember, go back to April 13 in Philly when Bo Diaz hit a grand slam off Neil Allen as part of 5 run ninth and mets lost 10-9. Allen never recovered and was shipped to St Louis with Rick Ownby for one of our current broadcasters. That loss took down the team and McCarver used to talk about how the whole season crashed on that one play. This has the same feeling.

  82. so the coach gives him a pass. it is one of those things, it happens. turn the page.

    someone asked about touching third and was ignored.

    but when it happened, he could not find enough ways to say how bush league the play was.

    i think he did the right thing today. you move on.

    luis was a man. stayed at his locker and answered the questions. said he was wrong and there is no excuse.

    met players in years past would slide out the door and not own up to their mistakes.

    i would like the coach to be consistent. but i guess he is not. some players he calls out publicly and others get a free ride.

    next game tomorrow.

    the good news is that they didn’t quite tonight.

  83. I will always be a met fan at heart but I’m not a big fan of this current Met team and I have the great Omar Minya to thank for it. My second favorite team is the redsox and hope the redsox can keep beating the yankees and prevent them from winning another world series.

  84. i return from europe to this…devastating..unreal, havent seen the highlights, mightn ot even look

    heard it live on the radio on way home from airport..howie said worse regular season loss in franchise history in his opinion…very demoralizing, i hope they can respond to this

    come back and 4 back but with the injuries and losses like tonight i guess they are lucky to be that close..very very very disheartening, devastating, disastrous defeat.
    i hope the team can pick itself and luis up and respond. season can go 2 directions…respond and fight or let this loss become the beginning of a break down.

    i know its hard, but ya gotta believe.

  85. Glad I missed this game or I would have gone off the deep end like Ray has…

    Sad way to lose a game. Luckily there is a game tomorrow where they can redeem themselves.

    How much pain must we endure? How long do we have to put up with lazy players who show no heart and hustle… you know if the Mets did that, the winning run would have been thrown out at home.

    Another sad day in this franchises history.

  86. There I was at work where the machinery interferes with AM radio so I only heard bits and pieces (Mets up 6-4). Get my break at 1010-1030 and see Mets take the lead against Rivera. Then later on the work floor someone comes up and says Yankees won 9-8. I say “did Texeira hit a 2 run pop fly to win it?” He says no, but he scored from first on a dropped pop up to Castillo. I said I don’t believe that, oh wait I do. Orlando Hudson would have caught it.

    One thing in looking at the clip on the mlb website is Castillo was on his knees. He never could have thrown it hard enough to home. I don’t suppose A Fraud yelled at him to drop the ball.

    I always think of the Tery Pendleton home run in 1987 as the worst Mets defeat in the regular season. Maybe the last ganmes in 2007 and 2008. But this….Lurch from Addams Family groan….so bizarre it must be the equivalent of The Fumble in 1978 (a game which I turned the TV off after the last Eagle drive failed).

  87. 208. I agree Dan. The Pendleton homer game was the worse loss in Met regular season history.

    I was lucky enough to miss this game. Sympathies to thise that suffered thru it.

  88. What I learned early this morning, after watching the game on DVR replay is that in being a Mets fan, I must really hate myself.
    And being a fan of the Mets is no longer a joyful obsession. It’s a destructive addiction. It’s a disease.
    Why any human being would be so devoted to an organization so completely inept and self-destructive from top to bottom is mind-boggling. Why any human beings would, annually, invest so much time, money and emotion in another group which rewards its followers with frustration, heartache and emotional distress is just plain idiotic.
    Mets games — as drugs and alcohol were for Darryl Strawbery — are our escape from the stresses, worries and disappointments in our lives.
    Except that every year, the Mets heap upon us exponentially more pain through their incompetence. Last night’s game should’ve been, for any rational thinking person, the last straw. It was the single-worst loss I’ve personally endured in nearly 40 years as a baseball fan.