METS CHAT ROOM: Game #40; avoiding the broom.

CHAT ROOM

CHAT ROOM

The future is now for Daniel Murphy.

Murphy, the Mets’ first baseman of the future, will start at the position tonight in Los Angeles as the club attempts to avoid being swept by the Dodgers. Manager Jerry Manuel said Murphy would also start the three games in Boston.

Manuel has been going with Jeremy Reed and Fernando Tatis at first in place of Carlos Delgado, who underwent hip surgery Monday and will be out at least two months.

All I can say is it’s about time. Circumstances dictate drastic measures and that includes seeing if Murphy can handle the position. There’s only one way to find out, and that is to play him.

Here’s tonight’s line-up”

Jose Reyes, SS
Luis Castillo, 2B
Carlos Beltran, CF
David Wright, 3B
Daniel Murphy, 1B
Ryan Church, RF
Ramon Castro, C
Angel Pagan, LF
Livan Hernandez, P

This post was written by John Delcos

231 Comments so far

  1. John Delcos May 20, 2009 8:58 pm

    Our hearts go out to former Mets reliever Scott Schoeneweis, whose wife, Gabrielle, 39, passed away today.-JD

  2. John Delcos May 20, 2009 8:58 pm

    Gary Sheffield doesn’t feel well and is out of the line-up tonight.-JD

  3. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:05 pm

    1 I just saw that on mlb.com.
    Schoeneweis REALLY had it rough, with both his daughter’s situation last year, too.
    No one deserves that much trauma.

  4. Harry Chiti May 20, 2009 9:09 pm

    1. Agree John. Sad story.

  5. John Delcos May 20, 2009 9:12 pm

    Good job by Reyes to work the count.-JD

  6. Harry Chiti May 20, 2009 9:12 pm

    Delcos. With as much baloney as Manuel has spewed since Spring Training do you really think he’ll leave Murphy alone for 4 games. Nothing like telling a kid, already struggling, you got 4 days to please Jerry the Horrible, Czar of Chiti Field or you will be sent to our gulag in buffalo. Good going Jerry. You are really King turd.

  7. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:12 pm

    So why does Gary Cohen have to remind us about the 2006 NLCS loss?

  8. Harry Chiti May 20, 2009 9:13 pm

    5. Cruel Delcos!

  9. John Delcos May 20, 2009 9:13 pm

    Harry (6): Four games is hardly a legit window. I hope he leaves him there for a couple of weeks.-JD

  10. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:14 pm

    9 Not if he kicks the ball around over there the way he has in left field…

  11. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:15 pm

    Thank goodness Church wasn’t on first or second on that Beltran double — he would’ve missed third trying to score.

  12. John Delcos May 20, 2009 9:15 pm

    Gil (10): Murphy needs to show them something before the trade deadline.-JD

  13. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 9:17 pm

    (12) JD, when is the trade deadline again?

  14. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 9:17 pm

    Murphy learning to play 1B in the majors tonight? What’s the record for most errors by a first baseman in a game?

  15. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:17 pm

    12 As I’ve so often said, Murphy showed plenty last summer, which elevated his trade value and the Mets should’ve traded him THEN to have gotten the pitching help we still need.

  16. John Delcos May 20, 2009 9:17 pm

    Jeff (13): July 31.-JD

  17. Annie Savoy May 20, 2009 9:21 pm

    Harry (6) I saw/heard Jerry’s interview this afternoon with Mike Francesa. Jerry certainly looked uncomfortable and behaved like your kids do, when they know that you know that they screwed up.

  18. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:22 pm

    THAT was a strike?

  19. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 9:22 pm

    Don’t that that strikeout while looking will boost Murphy’s defensive confidence.

  20. John Delcos May 20, 2009 9:22 pm

    Everything is hard for Murphy these days. Tough pitch to take on the strikeout.-JD

  21. John Delcos May 20, 2009 9:23 pm

    Gil (18): Maybe not, but too close to take.-JD

  22. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:24 pm

    Hate to say this, but Murph is quickly becoming the second coming of Mike Vail — who can’t field.

  23. John Delcos May 20, 2009 9:26 pm

    Even with a good throw Pierre was safe because Murphy was off the bag.-JD

  24. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:26 pm

    This is RIDICULOUS!
    Murph came OFF the bag?!!
    Can we PLEASE trade him to an AL team so he can DH?

  25. Annie Savoy May 20, 2009 9:27 pm

    Oh please guys, can we have a moratorium on Murphy criticism for at least a week?

  26. Harry Chiti May 20, 2009 9:27 pm

    9. Delcos. Of course its too short a time frame. Its pathetic.
    10. Gil. you show your total ignorance of the game with your comment.
    I have moved Jerry the Horrible ahead of Joe Frazier as the absolutely worst manager in the history of the Mets.

  27. John Delcos May 20, 2009 9:28 pm

    Annie (25): Sorry, no. Gotta call them as I see them.-JD

  28. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 9:28 pm

    No more Murphy bashing from me for the rest of the night. A week is too long to promise.

  29. John Delcos May 20, 2009 9:29 pm

    I don’t see Hernandez coming out of this scoreless.-JD

  30. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:29 pm

    26 well Harry, just crown you the new Insult Master, you rascal!
    So I’M ignorant because I want a proven defensive liability to have a short leash at another position where he could cause equal damage?

  31. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 9:30 pm

    Harry, Jeff Torborg will always be the worst manager in Mets history for me with Art Howe closely behind. But Cobra Joe Frazier was pretty bad.

  32. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:31 pm

    31 So where does Bud Harrelson rank among worst Mets managers?

  33. rmkmets May 20, 2009 9:31 pm

    These guys need to make up their mind. I mean Manuel was commited to having Murphy hold down LF and really learn that position and now he’s changing his mind after a little over a month. The guy played a very serviceable LF last year and I’m absolutely puzzled as to what happened in the offseason that lead to this. I don’t think he’s genuinely as bad in LF as he’s seemed this year so far and I think it’s really stupid that Manuel is making statements saying that he’s done out there. You really can’t trust what this guy says becuse he’s shown a track record already for not being forthcoming

  34. edfever May 20, 2009 9:31 pm

    Murphy off to a fast start after getting his ultimatum – strike three and foot work at first

  35. John Delcos May 20, 2009 9:33 pm

    It’s like Murphy has been playing first all his life.-JD

  36. edfever May 20, 2009 9:33 pm

    at least ill be able to get some sleep tonight – I lasted to the blake HR last night

  37. edfever May 20, 2009 9:34 pm

    JD- did you see his foot work on that swinging bunt he would have been safe

  38. John Delcos May 20, 2009 9:36 pm

    ed (37): I saw it. He’ll get better. Hopefully.-JD

  39. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:37 pm

    By the way, everyone: Really good reading in this week’s Sports Illustrated — Tom Verducci’s piece on Randy Johnson a basketball column about the decline of Allen Iverson.

  40. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 9:37 pm

    Derrel McKinley, there’s another bad one. And his job really didn’t matter if he won or loss but Casey Stengel’s Mets were far worse than the Colt 45s.

    I always wonder about Harry Cashen twisting George Bamberger’s arm to manage. He left the Brewers because of ulcers and Cashen hired him to manage in New York?

  41. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 9:37 pm

    Such negativity from everybody!

  42. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 9:38 pm

    (40) Don’t you mean Frank Cashen?

  43. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:38 pm

    Did Church touch first base?

  44. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 9:39 pm

    Okay, who wants to complain that Church is in the lineup again?

  45. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:41 pm

    OK, RYAN: TOUCH THIRD THIS TIME!
    PLEASE!

  46. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 9:42 pm

    oops shame on me. Confusing Frank Cashen’s first name with Harry Dalton, Oriole GM in the 1960s

  47. edfever May 20, 2009 9:42 pm

    lead off double wasted again

  48. rmkmets May 20, 2009 9:42 pm

    The hell with this stupid lineup. Church doubles and the next two bums do nothing, leaving up to the pitcher.

  49. John Delcos May 20, 2009 9:42 pm

    Two innings, two runners left in scoring position.-JD

  50. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 9:43 pm

    (32) Are you judging Mets managers by W-L record? Because if that’s your criteria…

    Winning Pct.
    (Minimum 200 games managed)
    Davey Johnson .588
    Willie Randolph .544
    Bobby Valentine .534
    Bud Harrelson .529
    Gil Hodges .523
    Yogi Berra .497
    Joe Frazier .488
    Dallas Green .447
    Jeff Torborg .425
    Art Howe .424
    Joe Torre .405
    George Bamberger.389
    Wes Westrum .375
    Casey Stengel .302

  51. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 9:44 pm

    Failure by Castro to get a productive out. Plus the ball was hit hard but only a double.

  52. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:44 pm

    46 We can complain about how bad a manager Bud Harrelson was but his son turned out to be a helluva Samurai swordsman.

  53. edfever May 20, 2009 9:47 pm

    and hernandez is giving up hits like there candy

  54. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:48 pm

    50 Jeff: GREAT research. But if Bud were so good, then why’d he last just one full season?
    Two things I remember about Bud’s managerial stint:
    1. Hubie Brooks coming between Harrelson and David Cone in dugout during a road game to keep them from fighting
    2. Bud’s signing off on a scrub rookie named Kelvin Torve being issued No. 24, forgetting that the immortal Willie Mays wore the number while he was briefly a Met. Rightfully, no other Met has worn No. 24 since.

  55. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:51 pm

    My man Vin Scully just got off a good line about Livan Hernandez: He shows all the emotion on the mound of a man waiting for a bus.

  56. edfever May 20, 2009 9:51 pm

    does livan know the goal is outs and not hits

  57. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 9:51 pm

    More in terms of what they should have done
    with the talent. Joe Torre was learning on the job but he had little to work with thanks to 8 years of bad trades and drafts. Bud Harrelson, on the other hand, inherited a team that won the NL East one and half years before he took over. Had a hot 6 weeks once he replaced Mike Marshall with dave Magadan (actually Marshall got one of his numerous injuries) but going with rookie Julio Velera in key September games did it for me. Plus his idiotic cancelling Howie Rose pre game radio show on WFAN.

    Maybe the worst was Dallas Green if you think he overworked Generation K. But he did quit on Steinbrenner when George started to mess with his coaches like he promised he would.

    For best I’ll go with Hodges followed by Johnson. Darkhorse candidate? I’ve been waiting to mention Salty Parker.

  58. Harry Chiti May 20, 2009 9:52 pm

    30. No Gil, its because you think a guy having a 4 game test is more than enough. It proves nothing in baseball. Oh, but that must not be. gil says a second in baseball is too much. people say I’m negative but you bitch and scream at every little thing that doesn’t meet your holy standards.

  59. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:53 pm

    57 Salty Parker has the coolest name of any Mets manager. How’d he get his nickname, anyway?

  60. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:53 pm

    58 That’s Pope Gil to you, Harry.

  61. Harry Chiti May 20, 2009 9:53 pm

    31. I think i might defer to your proclamation of Torborg. I’ve really tried to blot him from my memory bank. But Frazier I won’t cede as worse than Howe.

  62. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 9:54 pm

    Rickey Henderson wore 24 as a Met

  63. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:56 pm

    62 D’oh! How could I have forgotten? I was completely wrong there, Dan. Thanks!

  64. Harry Chiti May 20, 2009 9:56 pm

    Gil Shut up about Church. Its old and its stale.

  65. edfever May 20, 2009 9:57 pm

    I’m so glad we passed on Hudson

  66. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 9:58 pm

    64 Oh, Harry. I love how my comments just work you into such a lather! :)

  67. Harry Chiti May 20, 2009 9:59 pm

    The only thing Willie Mays did for the Mets was pack the Polo Grounds in 62 when nobody was showing upi to see them.

  68. John Delcos May 20, 2009 10:00 pm

    Gotta wonder how long Reyes will be out? Maybe another handful of games at best. Maybe longer.-JD

  69. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 10:00 pm

    Steve Phillips is right. Beltran can not get a clutch hit, he only pads his stats. That comment should be read with heavy sarcasm.

  70. rmkmets May 20, 2009 10:00 pm

    JD (68): UGH…did it look as bad on tv as Howie and Wayne made it sound on the radio?

  71. Harry Chiti May 20, 2009 10:00 pm

    66. Maybe I’ll be as critical of you as you are to Church. How’s that?

  72. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 10:01 pm

    67 Hmmm…I seem to remember Mays once hitting a game-winning homer at Shea (I was there) and getting a game-winning single in Game 2 of the 1973 World Series.

  73. John Delcos May 20, 2009 10:01 pm

    rmkmets (70): Unfortunately, it did.-JD

  74. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 10:03 pm

    71 Ooooooh, Harry. I like the sound of that! I mean, how dare I be such a meanie and get on Ryan Church for forgetting something even a 5-year-old Little Leaguer knows how to do?

  75. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 10:03 pm

    (70) Yeah, he pulled up at the bag and went hobbling down the dugout steps to the clubhouse. Not good.

  76. rmkmets May 20, 2009 10:03 pm

    Wright’s OBP of late must be ridiculously high. He’s drawing so many walks lately. He’s drawing walks at the same pace he was K’ing earlier in the year

  77. edfever May 20, 2009 10:03 pm

    could castillo play SS and have ramon who has no arm play 2B

  78. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 10:04 pm

    (71,74) Do you two need to be separated?

  79. rmkmets May 20, 2009 10:04 pm

    Ed (77): It’s not Ramon’s arm that’s the problem. It’s his overall defense there. I wonder why they didnt call A.Reyes up?

  80. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 10:05 pm

    78 LOL! Well, go back and read who started it. Harry just doesn’t like it that I’m in his head.

  81. edfever May 20, 2009 10:05 pm

    i thought he at least got in front of the ball – but he almost couldnt make it to first

  82. rmkmets May 20, 2009 10:06 pm

    UGH. Murphy really isn’t helping his cause with a crap AB like that. That’s a bad job by him.

  83. John Delcos May 20, 2009 10:07 pm

    Where is all that Murphy patience?-JD

  84. edfever May 20, 2009 10:07 pm

    Murphy = rally killer ( tonight) it was his bat that was the value

  85. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 10:07 pm

    (83) Patience? He knows the future is now!

  86. edfever May 20, 2009 10:07 pm

    his BA has been down a while – nobody noticed at first

  87. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 10:08 pm

    (86) What do you mean? He’s at first now, and we’re noticing!

  88. Harry Chiti May 20, 2009 10:09 pm

    Gil, You owe everyone an apology for your disgusting comments the other night about 8 years being enough of playing God Bless America. Maybe 911 is nothing to you but it isn’t to all of of us.

    Gil, You are in my head because anti American swine like you get to say and do whatever you want in this country. And that’s the way it should be but you don’t deserve it.

  89. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 10:10 pm

    BTW — Manuel hasn’t reached the 200-game minimum yet, but guess where he stands right now? .580 — second only to Davey Johnson.

  90. Annie Savoy May 20, 2009 10:10 pm

    John (73) What happened to Reyes?

  91. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 10:10 pm

    (88) Geez, are you starting this again?

  92. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 10:11 pm

    The Mets’ entire medical and training staff should be fired.
    Last year, they totally screwed up handling Ryan Church’s concussion, they advised sending Carlos Delgado out there on a bum hip, they can do nothing to keep Ramon Castro from pulling one leg muscle after another and now they sign off on sending Jose Reyes out there on a messed up calf and now look…

  93. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 10:12 pm

    Annie (90) See my #75 — he was running hard to first trying to beat the throw.

  94. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 10:12 pm

    88 Harry, Harry, Harry.
    Stop being such a drama queen, will ya?

  95. rmkmets May 20, 2009 10:14 pm

    Gil (92): You make a good point about the Mets medical staff but it was Delgado who was advocating holding on any surgery. As for Reyes…I’m totally perplexed as to what this injury is that he has.

  96. Annie Savoy May 20, 2009 10:14 pm

    Jeff M (93) Thanks – Howie and Wayne haven’t said much, they are waiting for news from the clubhouse.

  97. Harry Chiti May 20, 2009 10:16 pm

    88. If Gil can bring up an accidental mistake made by church for a score or so of posts, I can certainly bring up his insulting comments about 8 years is enough. If I made a comment that we should forget slavery because it was over a Centrury ago he’d go off on me and rightfully so.

  98. John Delcos May 20, 2009 10:16 pm

    Harry, Gil: C’mon guys, let’s talk ball.-JD

  99. Harry Chiti May 20, 2009 10:19 pm

    88. Gil, did you lose anybody in the Towers… Go f%&k yourself.

  100. Harry Chiti May 20, 2009 10:20 pm

    Don’t worry Delcos. I’m outta here. I thought one day away from that anti American would calm me but obviously not. See ya Friday maybe.

  101. John Delcos May 20, 2009 10:23 pm

    Murphy has played well at first.-JD

  102. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 10:24 pm

    97 No, Harry.
    I’d respect your opinion and IF I disagreed with such a statement, I’d find a solid argument to express that.
    Now let’s celebrate Livan Hernandez’s 1-2-3 inning!

  103. dave May 20, 2009 10:26 pm

    Jose – How did he hurt himself? I know he hasn’t been playing.

    Murphy – I am sure his problems at the plate has to do with the huge vote of confidence his manager gave him in spring and then the benching and the 4 game tryout as a major league player. He is not as good as he was last year and cannot be as bad as he is this year. In the spring and offseason they had him playing all over the place. If they wanted him to play LF that is the position he should have played since the season ended. Getting Sheff killed him because Sheff has 500 hr’s and he is not a power hitter. There are too many OF’s on this team and he is a lefty. His glove is on the wrong hand at 1B. I think he is doomed.

    His manager is managing for his life and he is a casualty of that. Murphy can’t play in the AL. No power.

  104. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 10:28 pm

    (103) dave — see #93

  105. rmkmets May 20, 2009 10:29 pm

    Dave (103): Hard to say he’s “doomed” when he’s apparently looked pretty good in the field at 1B thus far.

  106. rmkmets May 20, 2009 10:29 pm

    And Murphy is a guy that’s expected to become a power guy down the road, but no he doesn’t have any right now

  107. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 10:31 pm

    rmk: Who’s projecting Murph as a power guy?

  108. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 10:33 pm

    How weird is THIS: Randy Wolf batting for Weaver, who was pretty much lights out??

  109. John Delcos May 20, 2009 10:35 pm

    Gil (107): As he gains experience and gets stronger he should hit for more power. The Mets think he’ll hit more homers.-JD

  110. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 10:38 pm

    Murphy has found a position!

  111. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 10:39 pm

    NICE play by Murphy! We TOLD them to play him at 1st!

  112. John Delcos May 20, 2009 10:39 pm

    Murphy looks comfortable at first. I shudder at the thought of him playing the Green Monster. I think that had something to do with the timing of this.-JD

  113. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 10:39 pm

    109 I’m not sure I want Murph to hit a lot of homers. I like him working counts and hitting line drives and being like a Pete Rose-type of player (minus the gambling habit, of course).
    But with Murph in the lineup for the forseeable future, we have to get some additional power to compensate. If we don’t go out and get someone else for that role, we can only hope Sheffield and Tatis can do that.

  114. dave May 20, 2009 10:40 pm

    104

    I know he was hurt running, but he has been out and I assume he hurt a previous injury.

  115. dave May 20, 2009 10:40 pm

    Perhaps Murphy will play 1b an inning or two more after that misplay at 1b.

  116. dave May 20, 2009 10:42 pm

    113

    Sheff had a good series against SF. So he should be the regular LF the rest of the year until next month when the manager benches him and then calls him out.

  117. John Delcos May 20, 2009 10:44 pm

    Gil (113): As he gets stronger and older, he’ll naturally hit for more power.-JD

  118. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 10:44 pm

    116 Sheff probably won’t get a sniff from the Mets next year. With any luck, he’ll have helped us win a ring this year and he retires, so next season the Fernando Martinez era can begin in LF.

  119. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 10:46 pm

    Hernandez has pitched a lot better than we would have thought at 10PM

  120. John Delcos May 20, 2009 10:47 pm

    Dan (119): Yeah, I didn’t have much confidence in Livan tonight for some reason.-JD

  121. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 10:47 pm

    Dan: I hope you’re right, but remember that sometimes Livan has unraveled the third time through an opposition’s lineup.

  122. dave May 20, 2009 10:52 pm

    I was reading the manager wants to pull him before the third turn. figures the opposition will nail him in round 3.

    goodnite guys.

    hope they win tonight.

  123. rmkmets May 20, 2009 10:58 pm

    Gil (113): Agreed. He needs to continue doing what he’s doing and if so the power will come naturally. It’s frustrating now that he’s actually having a good game in the field but now uncharacteristically striking out twice in this game.

  124. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:00 pm

    These guys need to wake up and start hitting. Some of these AB’s have been pitiful

  125. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:01 pm

    Angel Pagan has certainly come back down to earth after his game on Mon nite.

  126. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:02 pm

    rmkmets (124): They haven’t hit since Saturday.-JD

  127. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:02 pm

    123 rmk: Got that right. I really like Murph’s hitting and granted SO FAR he looks good at first base, but I still would’ve traded him in the off-season.
    Sometimes you’ve got to move young talent to get what you need. I really loved Carlos Gomez’s defense and speed and still think he’ll come around as a hitter, but no one would disagree that trading him for Johan was a wise move.
    If Murph could be included in a package that could land someone like Jake Peavy, I’d make that deal.

  128. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:04 pm

    I doubt we’ll see Reyes tomorrow night.-JD

  129. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 11:05 pm

    Well, Peavy hates New York so forget that. But I wonder about the love the Mets organization has for Murphy. Wereen’t they comparing him to Mattingly last winter?

  130. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:05 pm

    Gil (127): I’d include Murphy in a deal for Peavy. Without hesitation.-JD

  131. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:09 pm

    129 True, Dan, but unless the Mets are on a no-trade list in his contract, Peavy’s not yet a 10-and-5 guy and can’t veto a deal.
    And somehow, I bet D-Wright and Keith Hernandez (another guy who originally didn’t want to play in New York) could work on Peavy to endure three months of playing ball in New York for a possible shot at the post-season.

  132. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:11 pm

    I really can’t believe it’s the seventh inning and Livan Hernandez is still in the game.-JD

  133. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 11:11 pm

    Richie Hebner didn’t want to come to New York and Joe Torre thought he could change his mind. He couldn’t. Most useless 79 rbis in a season ever. Peavy is good but what I’ve read he wants no part of the big city

  134. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:13 pm

    133 Wow, Dan! Richie Hebner! You’re taking us back a ways. Remember his flipping off the Shea fans when they tired of his ole-ing grounders at third base?

  135. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:15 pm

    Uh…what exactly happened there?

  136. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:16 pm

    This is ridiculous. I can’t even keep track of how many times these sort of stupid crap hits escalate into a big inning for the other team this year so far. Livan did this to himself though by walking blake

  137. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:16 pm

    Gil (135): Wright didn’t have a play at first. That was the quickest way to get rid of the ball.-JD

  138. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 11:16 pm

    Richie Hebner. Gravedigger in the off season. I’m surprised he was able to find fans in Shea to flip off..they drew something like 780,000 in his one year. Move that typified idiotic Mets decisions of the 1970s. Trade a decent pitcher like Espinosa for an aging poor defensive player who doesn’t want to be here. Right behind trading Staub for Lolich as poorly conceived plans. Fregosi and Foy at least had shots at working out, those two didn’t.

  139. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:16 pm

    rmkmets (136): Funny how it usually starts with a walk.-JD

  140. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:16 pm

    Did Wright really only have one play on that dribbler? Wayne and Howie said his only play was to 2nd and he had nothing on the throw

  141. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:17 pm

    136: rmk is exactly right.
    And Wright might’ve had a shot throwing to first base. Oh – and isn’t that cute of the Dodger fans chanting “New York sucks!”

  142. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:17 pm

    JD (139): Doesnt always start with a walk but often times they are mixed in there

  143. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:18 pm

    Wow these teams look like mirrors images of each other thru this game.

  144. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:19 pm

    rmkmets (140): Yes. There was no play at first. He had nothing on the throw. If he took the extra step to make the overhand throw, he wouldn’t have gotten the runner at second. He really had no play at all.-JD

  145. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:20 pm

    138 LOL! You’re right, the ’79 season was the one in which the Mets drew the fewest fans — 700,000 plus.
    But boy, that Rusty Staub trade broke my heart. That trade was arguably worse than when they traded Tom Terrific. As much as we all hated the Seaver trade, at least they got four younger players back.

  146. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:22 pm

    They should have mobbed Livan on the mound after that out. I can’t remember the last time a Mets pitcher approached this sort of length in a game

  147. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 11:22 pm

    I don’t hear the effusive praise for Livan. Come on, everybody!

  148. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:22 pm

    rmk: They did. SNY just showed it.

  149. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:23 pm

    Jeff (147): He pitched great tonight. Better than anybody could have hoped.-JD

  150. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:23 pm

    147 Livan has thrown an absolute gem tonight. No doubt.

  151. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 11:23 pm

    Great effort by Livian. And we have the Dodgers matching us in unclutchness!!

  152. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:25 pm

    The problem with these guys in this game so far, esp Wright and Beltran, is that they’re working the count but they are not capitalizing on the one or two pitches they actually are challenged with

  153. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 11:25 pm

    Okay, here we go — table set for Wright…

  154. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:25 pm

    Actually…more Wright than Beltran

  155. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:25 pm

    At least he had a productive AB. Now lets see if Murphy can finally deliver.

  156. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 11:26 pm

    Well, not exactly the table clearing I was hoping for.

  157. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:26 pm

    All we need is a damn flyball! Come on…just elevate the damn thing!

  158. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:26 pm

    Here’s Murphy’s chance to make it a great night for him.-JD

  159. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:26 pm

    Come on. No way Murphy gets anything good to hit here, no matter who’s pitching, with Castro up next and his propensity for hitting into DPs.

  160. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:27 pm

    JD (158): That’s an understatement

  161. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 11:27 pm

    This will be the ballgame. Unless it isn’t.

  162. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:27 pm

    Gil (159): It’s Church up next

  163. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:27 pm

    Church is up next.-JD

  164. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:29 pm

    162 163 Thanks, guys! Must’ve overlooked my scorecard. Hey, there’s Pedro Cerrano in the stands!

  165. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:30 pm

    How appropriate would that have been if Castillo was thrown out at 3rd there?

  166. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:30 pm

    We haven’t seen a Met get picked off third base on this road trip.-JD

  167. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:31 pm

    162 163 …which makes me wonder why Manuel didn’t stick Castro in between Murphy and Church, so we wouldn’t be vulenerable to this kind of matchup…unless Tatis would bat for Church…

  168. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 11:32 pm

    Crap.

  169. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:32 pm

    Wow. That was pathetic. Great job Murphy

  170. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:33 pm

    What? Torre’s not bringing in the steroid cheat to pitch to tatis?

  171. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:34 pm

    Wow…honestly how much damn sense does this make?? Church has hit a double off the wall in this game and he PH’s for him with Tatis…the same guy that he didn’t want to use in place of that crap Martinez yesterday “because he was cold.”

    Manuel really has no clue what the hell he is doing. Tatis better come thru here.

  172. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:35 pm

    Forget it…this is over. Another missed opp

  173. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:35 pm

    rmkmets (171): Well, when you put it that way.-JD

  174. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:36 pm

    Oh, for the love of God…

  175. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:36 pm

    A show of hands please … who’s surprised?-JD

  176. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 11:36 pm

    I blame Wright. He should have driven in a run when he could.

  177. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:37 pm

    JD (173): That made NO SENSE whatsoever. And now you’ve just taken out your best defensive RF in the process.

  178. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:37 pm

    172 yes, rmk, this one’s like that old Hall and Oates song, “Missed Opportunities.”

  179. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 11:38 pm

    Torre must have been watching Mota while he was a Met and refused to bring him in. Went with the lefty vs righty which was probably smart. I’m gonna go, stuck my mouth to the shower head and turn it on. AARRRGGGHHH!!!

  180. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:38 pm

    Jeff (176): I’m inclined to agree with you…but he drove the ball at the least. Murphy is the one to blame. It’s almost so appropriate that he’s had an awful game at the plate while finally having a good one on the field.

  181. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:39 pm

    Don’t despair, Mets fans…the great offensive force himself, Jeremy Reed, is in the house.

  182. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:43 pm

    You know what’s funny? You would think that just one of these times where Manuel has made one of these inconsistent/head scratching moves it might work out…but he’s consistently been wrong.

    1. Santos for Castro two wks ago
    2. Yanking Johann in that game against the
    Braves
    3. PH’ing Pagan for Murphy Sun nite
    4. NOT PH’ing Tatis or Castillo for a
    Martinez last nite (and batting him 6th)
    5. PH’ing for Church there tonite

  183. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:44 pm

    I’m probably forgetting a few more

  184. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:45 pm

    Not looking good if we enter the top of the 9th one down…we’ve got Castro, Pagan and Reed coming up.

  185. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:49 pm

    What’s Putz gonna blame this on? An inability to get his adrenaline going becaues the game is tie?

  186. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:49 pm

    Is the other shoe about to drop?-JD

  187. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:49 pm

    Gil (184): Don’t worry, Manuel will probably PH Santos for Castro so that it’ll look just like the same lineup we went down with last nite

  188. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:50 pm

    JD (186): I think that’s pretty imminent.

  189. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:50 pm

    There’s always 2010…

  190. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:51 pm

    Putz is quietly one of the most overrated aquisitions of this offseason. What a stupid bum

  191. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:51 pm

    They had no chance at Hudson at the plate.-JD

  192. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 11:51 pm

    Castro, Pagan and Reed, you say?

  193. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:52 pm

    I hope these losers were paying attention. This is the difference between a team that wins and one that loses. You take advantage when the opposing pitcher is danglign the win in front of your face

  194. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:53 pm

    Not counting that IBB, Putz has thrown 8 strikes and 10 balls. He sucks

  195. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:53 pm

    rmk: Putz definitely has not been what was advertised.

  196. Jeff M. May 20, 2009 11:53 pm

    It’s that crafty Torre.

  197. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:54 pm

    Walks have killed Putz so far.
    What was he thinking throwing a 3-1 splitter to Ethier?

  198. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:54 pm

    Gil (195): Not at all

  199. Dan Gurney May 20, 2009 11:55 pm

    Nice bare hand play by Heath Bell, barehanding the Baltimore chop and getting the second out. If he was still a Met, he’d have dropped it.

  200. Gil In Orlando May 20, 2009 11:55 pm

    Just like the Mets these days…a day late and a dollar short…

  201. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:56 pm

    This series really isn’t surprising. These guys aren’t really playing any differently than they were the week prior…it’s just that the Giants aren’t good while the Dodgers are and when you throw the ball all over the field and you don’t hit situationally consisntely, like the Mets have it’s bound to catch up to you

  202. rmkmets May 20, 2009 11:58 pm

    Now they’re gonna play the Bosox who are getting Youkilis back and who play well at home. Meanwhile we have a team that can’t hit or field and a roster that resembles a AAA team with the likes of Ramon Martinez, Pagan, and Jeremy Reed

  203. John Delcos May 20, 2009 11:59 pm

    rmkmets (201): You’re right. … I have a feeling Boston could be ugly.-JD

  204. Gil In Orlando May 21, 2009 12:01 am

    How is it that other teams can lose a starter or two and still be a force to be reckoned with while the Mets lose a couple of guys and it’s like we’re putting a Triple-A team on the field?

  205. rmkmets May 21, 2009 12:02 am

    Gees. That hit by Pagan is like in an NBA game when the team that’s down by 10 with 5 sec left, decides to foul.

  206. Gil In Orlando May 21, 2009 12:02 am

    Come on Reed…home run here and we’ll forget about your errant throw from the other night.

  207. Jeff M. May 21, 2009 12:02 am

    Since the Mets never do what’s expected of them, I’m assuming they’ll do well in Boston.

  208. Gil In Orlando May 21, 2009 12:03 am

    207 well, at least we’ll have Santana going Friday.

  209. Gil In Orlando May 21, 2009 12:04 am

    Wow. What a mighty shot there by Reed…almost reached the rim of the infield.

  210. rmkmets May 21, 2009 12:05 am

    Well…there you go. That’s where that moronic move of putting Tatis in earlier really screwed them up. Manuel’s dumb move once again comes back to bite him.

    I can’t believe he’s not gonna try to PH here again.

  211. Gil In Orlando May 21, 2009 12:05 am

    This is gonna be a loooooooooong year.

  212. rmkmets May 21, 2009 12:06 am

    Gil (207): And Fenway is one of the few parks where he can’t win. Not to mention the way this team can’t hit their way out of a paperbag…I’m not that optimistic

  213. Gil In Orlando May 21, 2009 12:06 am

    Why must they tease us like this…

  214. rmkmets May 21, 2009 12:06 am

    If our manager wasn’t so stupid the team might be able to get by. Manuel is just simply not a good manager. I can’t say that enough

  215. Jeff M. May 21, 2009 12:07 am

    Stupidest circular reasoning I ever heard. Gary said they have Sheffield on the bench, but if he hits here and the Mets tie the game, who plays short in the bottom of the 9th? Better to lose now than chance losing later.

    Oh well, it’s all moot now.

  216. John Delcos May 21, 2009 12:08 am

    Gil (208): Doesn’t matter if they can’t score.-JD

  217. Gil In Orlando May 21, 2009 12:08 am

    Well, look at it this way…at least in getting swept we were treated to Randy Newman’s “I Love L.A.” the last three nights at the end of the game. Love the steel drum solo in the bridge…

  218. Jeff M. May 21, 2009 12:09 am

    John (216) Exactly!

  219. John Delcos May 21, 2009 12:10 am

    The Mets would be exposed on this road trip and that’s what is coming to pass.-JD

  220. Jeff M. May 21, 2009 12:10 am

    Gil, you like Randy Newman and steel drums? Since Harry left I guess it’s up to me to call you an anti-American piece of crap. But my heart’s not in it.

  221. Dan Gurney May 21, 2009 12:11 am

    Thursday will be a day free of angina..no Mets to pull hair out during. Murphy [played well at first, Half-El Duque pitched wonderful. But 3 for 32 with RISP? On to Fenway where if we lose, it will at least aggravate the Yankees.

  222. Jeff M. May 21, 2009 12:12 am

    Annie hasn’t told us if Howie put the game in the books. I think she must have passed out.

  223. John Delcos May 21, 2009 12:13 am

    Good night folks.-JD

  224. Jeff M. May 21, 2009 12:13 am

    (221) Aggravating the Yankees… that’s true! I hadn’t thought of it that way. And I’m kind of partial to the Sox anyway, so I may have to excuse myself.

  225. Dan Gurney May 21, 2009 12:14 am

    what was the game in 1986 when there was a bench crawling brawl (about 50 right there), against Cincinnati and Roger McDowell/Jesse Orosco alternated pitching/playing right? Give me the Leo Durocher philosophy: I’d rather be on the field without a catcher/shortstop than in the clubhouse with a loss.

  226. Gil In Orlando May 21, 2009 12:14 am

    As I said before, this has the potential of being a looooooooooooooooooooooong year.
    The team has too little home run power, too many bench players being forced to play every day, subpar defense, little depth in the starting rotation, bad fundamental instincts and a manager and medical staff that make some very questionable decisions.

  227. Gil In Orlando May 21, 2009 12:16 am

    220 Jeff, LOL!
    Guess in Harry’s book, we’re BOTH anti-American pieces of crap, huh?
    Geez.

  228. Jeff M. May 21, 2009 12:16 am

    Dan, that game is one of my favorite memories of the Davey Johnson era! Classic.

  229. Gil In Orlando May 21, 2009 12:17 am

    225 Dan, that’s a great line.

  230. Dan Gurney May 21, 2009 12:24 am

    I remember listening to that game on the radio while working that night as a watchman at a beach club. Easy money.

  231. tomg May 21, 2009 10:11 am

    (226) it appears the light shining on Omar Minya is starting to dim.

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