CHAT ROOM
I would be remiss if I didn’t comment on the lack of Mets memorabilia and appreciation for their history at Citi Field. There’s so much more they could have done to honor their tradition.
At Comerica Park there are exhibits by decade. Very well done. Honestly, I thought they’d have a Hall of Fame when they build the place. Right now the place honors Jackie Robinson more than the Mets and that’s not right.
The Rotunda is well done, but there should have been something similar for the Mets history.
Most teams honor their past. The Cardinals have statues outside Busch; there are photos of past players at Wrigley Field and in Cleveland; at Fenway, you just know that’s the home of the Red Sox.
Yes, I like Citi Field, but there’s more from a historical perspective that should be recognized.
This post was written by John Delcos
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good to see jerry change it up…but i would have loved to see the castillo in the 2 hole switch JD…the team seems to need a jolt…heres a wacky lineup that i wouldnt mind seeing for a night or two
castillo
murphy
reyes
delgado
beltran
wright
church
castro
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i usually like beltran in the 5 spot of the regular lineup for his speed with the bottom of the order coming up but with no1 hitting with RISP and beltran not running all that much moving him up is worth a look
Mike Pelfrey threw a bullpen session today and said he’s on track to start this weekend.-JD
Hey, JD, everyone.
I begin tonight with a uniform question:
Why are the Mets no longer wearing the black jerseys with the “NEW YORK” across the front and instead wearing the ones with “Mets” in front?
I love the black jerseys with the old-school “New York” lettering…
Hey Gil. Nice to see you. I also like the old school “New York” lettering. Script Mets should be for home games.-JD
I agree, JD. Would be a very interesting question to pose to Jay Horwitz, wouldn’t it? Unless Gary explains it on tonight’s broadcast.
Will find out why Wright is hitting third. Originally, he was listed as fifth with Beltran third.-JD
Why was Delgado held at third there?
Wright, Delgado and Beltran all got on base. They’ve been doing it a lot so far. These are the RBI opportunities I see for Murphy/Church.-JD
Gil (7): He would have been out at the plate. Probably by a lot.-JD
Too bad Herb Washington’s no longer available for pinch-running duty…
Too bad Murphy got picked off.-JD
Nice start.-JD
JD, you’re Bogarting the Maalox…save some rfor the rest of us.
OK, Rick Ankiel gets this year’s Jason Giambi Award for MLB’s worst mustache.
A home plate ump with a hitter’s strike zone like this guy has isn’t gonna help Ollie.
Give the man his due: Luis Castillo has been coming through.
Looie and Church are making me proud.
time for David to come through.
maybe not
How could David lay off two hanging curves in that at-bat?
He is lost. get him out of the third spot already.
Good evening, Mr. Sadecki.
I got the St. Louis broadcast they have an advertisement for a Casino with the “loosest slots” in the country… nice
Kevin, do you have Comcast or Time-Warner? DirecTV and mlb.com both allow both teams’ broadcasts.
I got Brighthouse, an abomination.
I would love DireTV, my parents have it, get every SNY broadcast in HD.
Yikes.
Do you also live in Florida?
Only time I’ve ever heard of Brighthouse is when I moved to Orlando.
Hi Gil, Hi gang.
Yeah, I also live in Orlando.
Kevin, get outta here, dude! We’re neighbors? What part of town do you live in?
I live right outside of Baldwin Park off Colonial and 436.
JD I agree with flipping Castillo and Murphy. Castillo has certainly earned being put back where he used to be.I would hate to move Church down for Murphy, just because he is doing well.
No freaking way! I live in Baldwin Park, near Semoran, near Colonial and Old Cheney.
Wow… that is insane, I live on Beach Blvd, right off Old Cheney.
I agree with your comments about the history of the Mets. A highlight by decade would be nice.
Unfortunately the owner holds NY teams that are on the other coast in higher esteem than his own.
JD, would you do me a favor and pass on my email address to Kevin, off the forum. Kevin, I invite you to do the same.
Kevin, if we meet, you’ll be the third diehard Mets fans I’ve met since moving here in February.
Feel free to do the same with mine JD. There is a lot of them, I’ve grown up here, but my family is from New York, my brother still lives up there.
Dave, I saw today that due to fan demand they are keeping docs graffiti block, but are moving it to a part of the park where more fans can see it. I think they are getting the message.
Ray, they also said they are going to invite formers Mets on their first visit to sign the wall as well… supposedly, per metsblog
Cool, Kevin. Looking forward to meeting you. Ever go down to Dolphin Stadium? My wife and I drove down to see the Santana/Murphy dropped fly ball game. Too bad the Rays aren’t hosting the Mets this season.
I was at the Saturday and Sunday games. My arms are still peeling from the Saturday day game.
40 Ha! Ha! Yeah, my wife got a headache from the sun at the Johan game, but me, the hotter it is, the better I like it.
Ray,
Yes. I saw JD’s post and looked it up. Nice that they are doing so only after they got an earful from the fans.
But do they really need a PR nightmare to think that you spend a ton of taxpayer money on a new park and do nothing to honor the last 40 years, almost half a century of your team and players?
We won 2 WS. We have a ton of players that people loved. From the original crew to the brashness of the 80′s, some players from the 90′s and todays players.
Perhaps the owners did not feel they could compete with the bronx crew in history and so did not try. all they did was copy the primo eating establishments and pricing.
kevin (39): Supposedly, they are. I think they should have built the Mets HOF at the same time they were designing the park. Really lame that they didn’t.-JD
I agree JD, though we are talking about a team that has retired one number… so I suppose they are bit of sticklers when it comes to revering their past.
Jerry seems to have a touch of the Willie despite the offense struggling he keeps sending out the same line-up….. Move Castillo into the two hole and drop wright down
dave (43): Mets will never have the history of the Yankees, Cardinals, Giants, Dodgers, Cubs, Tigers, Indians, etc. They haven’t been around as long. But, honor what you have. Be proud of what you have. That place should be plastered with Mets history.-JD
Should have been the William Shea Rotunda featuring the Jackie Robinson Memorial
kevin (45): They retired Seaver, Hodges and Stengel. Only one player. You telling me Koosman isn’t worth it? Keith? Straw?-JD
Shea single handedly brought NL Baseball back to NY and didn’t get a piece of the pie
(46) I really don’t think it is time to switch up the lineup yet, that’s a sign of panic, we are not playing that bad
ed (48): I don’t mind them honoring Jackie Robinson, but not at the expense of your own history. … You know, I can’t tell you if there is anything for Bill Shea there. I should know that, but I don’t-JD
I agree JD, I am saying the Franchise does not see it the same, I would love to see 17 up there on the wall, and 31 soon after.
They should have broken this game open. Don’t let the Cardinals hand around. They’ve got three guys who can tie it with one swing.-JD
I agree with honoring him but not ever tile picture and not the rotunda
Can you do that?!?! Yadier just stuck out his other arm and prodded Murphy, I mean he was out either way, but that seems very illegal.
DW has been a rally killer in the third hole – two men on looked at strike three… weak grounder that an error scored one and the catcher speed murphy on second instead of castillo couldnt take advantage of the error
By the way, everyone, those of us old enough to remember and enjoy the pitching of the late Mark “the Bird” Fidrych, get your DVRs ready for Thurs. Apr. 30 from 3 to 5 p.m. Eastern to record MLB Network’s airing of his defining performance — his June 28, 1976 complete game win over the Yankees on ABC’s “Monday Night Baseball.”
Am I the only one that realizes we have 4 runs right now?
can Ollie hold a lead they didn’t take the lead against SD until late
where is this strike zone
Let’s see if Coin Flip can live with prosperity. … Big innings with him usually start with walks.-JD
I mean, sure I’d like more, but we have what, 3 or 4 two out rbis? That’s not bad.
i cant rem. any of these guys getting double plays – have they had many
kevin (56): It looked like Molina was protecting himself with his right arm.-JD
nothing more demoralizing then everytime your team gives you a lead you give it back
ed: Ollie may get out of this without giving any runs back. Keep the faith.
.229 hitter two outs – this is a situation the Mets are an auto out lets see how Ollie handles it
im trying Gil
That last pitch to Greene looked pretty good.-JD
how do you not throw a strike to a .229 hitter
That 2-0 pitch Ollie threw looked like a strike. Now he’s got a big challenge. Gary and Ron report that Thurston is 4-for-5 lifetime against Ollie.
The ball three call.-JD
I think Ollie may have pitched around him, but that my generous
*might be generous
John,
Yes we do not have the 100 year history of the Yankees nor the parade of hall of famers that they do. I realize that we are a young team all things considered. But as you say, we do have our own history and you should honor what we have.
Seaver is one of the best ever. Doc was going to be one of the best and as he wrote on the wall – Rookie of the Year, Cy Young, WS Champs. There was Koos, Harrelson, Grote, Agee, Cleon, Mook, HoJo, Jesse, McDowell, Darling, Gary, El Sid, Nails, Cone, Piazza, Jose, David, Santan, Beltran.
I am sure others can add more.
Ollie cant find the plate can any of these guys handle any level of pressure
OK, Ollie…2-2…throw ‘em that change…
3-2
its coming
There it is Ed
Wow Im sorry Gil and Ollie
Yep! That 3-2 pitch was definitely strike three. Way to go, Ollie!
i was thinking of the melt down if im honest
Too close to take that last pitch. Good to see Perez work out of trouble. Bad to see him get into trouble. I still have a feeling four runs won’t be enough.-JD
Its even better when the runner gets half way down before he realizes it… Thurston looked like Castillo circa 2008… looked like the last thing he wanted to do was swing
JD- Ive been very vocal that I think the Mets botched these most recent roster moves any thoughts either way
kevin (86): He took off down the line hoping to sway the ump. If you can’t hit, you might as well act.-JD
atta boy ollie…high wire act..doesnt have shut down stuff tonight but it is actually battling..good to see
ed (87): Yes. It’s like they traded O’Day for Fossum. Figueroa will likely come back to them. If they DL’d Pelfrey they could have kept O’Day. Not good all the way around.-JD
I would have DL Pefrey brought up Figgy… If I really felt I needed Fossum how about Parnell for the three game series he has options and its only three games against a lefty dominant team… Not only did you lose O’Day but O’Day cost Sanchez his spot two weeks ago
These Cardinals announcers won’t stop talking about the Wainwright curveball to freeze Beltran. This is like the third time this game. I don’t need to hear this.
Kevin – its all they have they’ve been awful since – it was like us with the Pratt homerun until about ’03′
ed (91): Agreed on all counts. The path of least resistance would have been the DL for Pelfrey. He threw BP today, but there’s no guarantee he’ll start this weekend.-JD
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kevin (92): That was a nasty, nasty pitch. But, need I say it. They had their chances earlier in the game to take control. They lost that game before that pitch … and before Heilman’s. After Endy’s catch they should have won it in their next AB.-JD
of the current Mets if they stay consistent, without a significant drop or spike which have the best chance of the HOF
ed (97): Delgado and Sheffield and Santana.-JD
it was only a matter of time if he kept putting runners on
Why give him anything to hit?
If Wright and Reyes play ten more years and average what they’ve been, those two, also. Not sure about Beltran.-JD
Murphy makes that throw to second and not third and only one run scores on Pujols’s double…
because he already had two on and he’s too wild to work confidently with bases loaded he needs that base for a walk
This guy can tie it here. Ludwick has a lot of pop.-JD
I can see that, but he is the best hitter in baseball.
Damn. Huge out. … Here’s Heilman’s buddy.-JD
Murphy’s going to have to put up some incredible numbers to make up for how bad he is and the lack of speed on the bases
Hi everybody – sorry I’m late
True story, the name of my fantasy baseball league is “Yadier F’n Molina”
kevin (105): I’d take him (Pujols) over a healthy A-Rod.-JD
oh boy ollie looks stressed still thinking of those two runs
he’s not even close
Somebody pass the rolaids.
Call me crazy, but I think he pitched around him again to get to a lefty. Yadier has sick numbers against Ollie.
Gil keep me positive
where was that
why didnt he throw to Ollie
come on ollie.
Did he bobble or just not have a play?
second time in a row .229 hitter last time walk him on four pitches
he’ll walk in a run here
ed (118): He would have beat the throw. And, it could’ve been a bad throw. I thought Castillo did the right thing.-JD
i thought he had a play kevin but it was no sure thing
i thought Ollie was there and with ollie on the mound you have to hope
castillo made a nice play
big pitch here 2-2…come on ollie…good fastball here
he’s pitching like he’s scared of a .229 hitter
hes pitching like he doesnt know where the ball is going…which he probly doesnt
Howie is now saying that Oliver Perez is ‘high maintenance’.
ed (127): He is.-JD
When Yadier hit the homer off Heilman, his season average was lower than .229
ed: Ollie will get out of this tough spot. Watch.
awful 2- 2 pitch..
throw a F’in strike
this is all mental here and this is why I wanted Lowe over Ollie – Ollie has better stuff then this guys bat but he doesnt brain to use it
this man is not worth 36 million
good to hear the fans cheering him on for the payoff pitch
Say thank you St. Louis.-JD
ollie cant handle a lead
great outting ollie…12 mil for not even 5 innings…outstanding
sorry, Ed.
Are we really bringing Fossum in right now? First MLB inning this year with the bases loaded?
Jim
No he isn’t. But we know that and knew it when we signed him.
im fed up with him…3 mill more a yr woulda get you lowe..you know a guy who can throw a strike 3-2
I rather a hit and challenging him then a walk – how pathetic he was afraid twice of a .229 hitter
A 4-0 lead and even if the pen holds here, Coin Flip can’t get the win. He didn’t go a full five.-JD
I don’t know if its fear or inability to control his pitches.
(144) i was one of the few that would have over paid for Lowe just to solidfy the rotation and all I heard was Ollie’s potential and the rotation is fine its the pen
this is a joke.
tie game at least in a minute
this guy doesnt wanna life the bat off his shoulder and cant throw him a strike
I hate being right.
from one ollie to the next
whens the last time we had a four run inning
Great move Jerry.
Wow, Casey. Impressive way to make your Mets debut. NOT!
btw..larussa starting another lefty vs. ollie wasnt smart..cost him last inning…fossum not throwing a hittable pitch saved him there
Its only a game, its only a game, ITS ONLY A FREAKIN GAME!!!!
He looked nervous in the pen. still does.
that ball was a rope
they have the book on these guys not one St. louis hitter swung at the first two pitches
Four straight pitches out of the zone. You’ve been sitting all night. It’s chilly. And you swing at the first pitch. Say thank you Casey.-JD
after 2 september swoons..i have tried to stay positive..but its getting to be ridiculous
150 mill payroll…and the team flat out doesnt perform..pick it the f up
ray – when will you get sick of the ollie show and the choke artist line-up formerly knwon as the Mets before you vent…lol
Well the good news is at least we are in their pen now… I think they were the only team to blow more saves that we did last year. They also did virtually nothing about it.
and once again were in ours – how long before it burns out pitching every game except Johans from the 5th on
now while st. louis forced our pitchers to throw strikes Castro comes up first pitch swinging
Marlins lost. The race tightens. (Smirk)-JD
when do the mets answer another team’s rally??
John – what can the Mets do with a pitcher like Ollie?
JD- how does castillo look?? nice to say that
and expect a positive answer!
Ed, The hitters are doing fine. Firebug Ollie is the problem.
why isnt louie hitting second
not resign him annie…oh wait..
edfever is my hero!
jim (171): Looks good. Dropped 17 pounds in the winter. He’s been playing well all spring.-JD
ray there 3rd in the league in BA 11th in the league with runners on – there is a problem
and perez is a bum and the Mets are stuck with him for three years, congradulations Omar.
this game could easily be 6-4 right now
alex cora for 2 million.. not necessary
I want to see a three way showdown between Harry, Tomg, and Edfever… we’ll have Ollie start, walk in three runs, have Murphy miss a flyball, and have D Wright ground into a triple play down 2 in the 8th. And then it will be a battle royale!
Ray (173) I like the new name — ‘Firebug’ is appropriate.
(168) The Bucco pitchin staff may be maturing. With a lot of luck and no mid season fire sale they might break their losing season streak… wait, no mid season fire sale by the Buccos… forget ending the streak.
come on boys…answer here
FYI, Rusty Staub’s new book with Phil Pepe, “Few and Chosen — Defining Mets Greatness Across the Eras” is a really fun read.
hit and run with cora?
Someone wanna explain why Castillo hasn’t been trying to steal second?
Chiti, I told you Ollie sux. Shoulda got Wolf.
there it was…damnnn
i hate to tell you this kevin but ed is the man…. I conceded the other day to him….
Helluvan at-bat here, by Cora.
try it again jerry
Haha, I believe it Harry.
(182) that’s funny, almost as funny as the Mets not making the playoffs again because nothing has changed.
Annie, coinflip is too kind for this guy.
2 million for a guy who wont play at all if sheff is the new OF replacement and tatis in the IF
189. they coulda got wolf and ollie. kevin says i complain too much.. do yous ee one op complaint from me tonite kevee..?
I think Cora’s pop up was a homer in the New Yankees stadium
no harry…i have taken that job tonight
No no I’m impressed by your restraint.
Gil (186) Haven’t read that, but I have just ordered Ron Darlings’ book:
The Complete Game : Reflections on Baseball, Pitching, and Life on the Mound
Have you read that one?
202- annie i have heard that is good…i am interested in picking up a copy
great answer to a rally…way to go fishing jose
Reyes swung at garbage.-JD
Kevin (199) apparently they’re all homers in the Stadium
199. every pop up apparently is a homer in yankee stadium
201. i can’t birtch about op because i asked for his return!
i can’t bitch about fossum because what expectatrion can i have of him?
I do want to know why the Mets don’t stel bases anymore?
Nah it’s time to tighten up now – you can see it in the bats – they had their lead Ollie choked and now the offense is waiting for the other shoe to fall
207- because their hitting with runners on is so good..u dont wanna mess with that
yes i was being sarcastic….and ed here comes the other shoe
come on guys weve been watching this for two years – i hope they surprise me im wishing they do with every bit of my fandum but deep dwon when Ollie fell apart I had that sinking feeling
Nice of Stokes to drop in and throw some BP to Cardinals hitters.
church could have tried to catch that?
Harry (207): I think part of the reason is Reyes is tentative with Murphy in the two hole.-JD
yup you cant move castillo to second – what happened to stealing by the way has that been outlawed – but the cards come right back to add on
jim (203) Jim – I’m very fond of Ron Darling – followed him when he was at Yale etc. Actually my local library has ordered the book at my suggestion.
the mets dont answer other teams scoring..they dont shut down innings after they have scored…i know that needing ‘fire’ is overused but the mets have none…look at hte players..going thru the mmmootttiiooonnsss
he was out.
he is standing on the base.
He was out. Bad call.-JD
What the hell? That’s TWICE that Delgado has come off the bag early on plays this year.
horrible call
going thru the motionssss
are you kidding me
WTF is going on… this is ridiculous.
does this team care about winning? laziness..its impossible to know if they want it..how many lazy mistakes can u make
Give Stokes some credit
thanks yadier
Where are our fundamentals?
The first-baseman comes off the bag too early, an outfielder throws to the wrong base, another outfielder isn’t aggressive enough on a line drive to catch it, a bases-loaded walk, catcher’s interference…
Ugh!
I really thought the Cardinals were going to have a big inning after the Pujols call.-JD
Howie just said it has been ‘an interesting night in St. Louis’ — what an understatement…
What am i gonna do ? their all me now, except kevin…. so how many runs came in? great inning lol!
Even with that one, Yadier still personally owes me about 10 for 2006
Someone has to play the optimist, its fun you should try it for a while Harry.
Very lucky to still be tied.
itd be nice to david wright hit a home run
another great inning going by the mets in the middle innings…must be a special at club in st louie…gotta get off the field quickly
Here’s a disturbing trend I’ve noticed about the Mets when they’re hitting…the small number of pitches they’re seeing in their at-bats from the 5th inning on.
Tonight is no exception…Seven pitches in the top of the fifth, 18 in the top of he 6th and just 10 in the just-ended top of the 7th.
this team shows a lot of emotion and hustle on the baseball field…you can really see they want it out there
gil- just going through the motions- 2009 Mets
Yes the score is tied and the offense is fine … you know they tied for the second most runs scored last year
234… I be the optimist when i sense something great happening…. i haven’t sensed antythign special with this group…. even in ’06 with no competition you could see this team struggling to cinch in spetember. There’s been something missing from this club all along.
Holy Cow! (No thanks to Rizzuto.) I watch Fringe, tune in and find the game 4-4 in the 6th… then it takes me a half an hour just to scroll through all 223 posts! You guys are killing me!
Jeff M (243): I’m just glad 24 isn’t on tonight.-JD
Jim (240) I’m afraid you’re right, just like the 2008 Mets.
jff m- another frustrating night..hard to stay positive
Did anybody ever get an answer to why the Mets have suddenly switched back to the “home” away uniforms? Did they maybe donate some of their NEW YORK letters to the Nationals?
If only Pedro did what he just did to Chris Duncan in NLCS Game 5, instead of allowing that solo homer…
The offense is built around an aging veteran- Delgado an unassuming quiet player- beltran and a guy who hasbn’t proven he can handle the pressure wright thats the heart of your order…. where is the player in his prime who is a vocal leader and carry the team
i just hate feeling like that effort isnt there right now…quick ABs…mental errors, barely a fight on an awful car. i cant stand feeling they dont want it
247 Jeff, I was wondering the same thing. Could it be they mistakenly packed their home black jerseys? Let’s hope so. I love the black roadies with “New York” across the chest.
awfull call*
Where the hell was that 2-2 pitch, blue?!
Where the *&^% was that 3-2 itch, blue??!!
jerry manuel still persists on having feliciano pitch to RH batters..another walk.
(245) you forgot the 2008 mets. That’s because nothing has changed. The hitters choike when it counts. The starters (except santana) struggle to get to 5 innings and the bull pen will be done by august. I wonder how many more years of this same crap met fans are going to watch before Omar is fired?
JD- do you notice a lack of fight from this team…i certainly do.
251 – Let’s hope they don’t bring back the racing stripes next. The only thing I hate about watching clips of ’86 is seeing those uniforms.
tomg (256) I’m not sure it’s all Omar’s fault – doesn’t Jerry get some of the blame?
frisbee slider for strike 3 i hope
jim (257): There’s something missing, no question.-JD
Satan just stepped in to pinch-hit.
the players are to blame.
they are being paid to perform and are not.
150 mil and i think its valid to question whether the effort/will is there
(256) oops!! I meant to say you forgot 2007, I’m bad.
Annie (259): Sure he does. He’s made some questionable decisions.-JD
Omar makes plenty of mistakes, but I can’t crucify him after he got Johan for a speedy outfielder and a bag of chips.
Jerry? What’s he done wrong?
(259) I don’t see it. This team looks the same as when Willie was the manager of the Mets.
Gil (267): I don’t like his batting order for one. … Plus, managers always have to share some of the blame. This is a .500 team.-JD
266- omar has done well with the big acquistion but awful with basic roster moves/small signings
267- Jerry hasnt been perfect, but has been better than willie so far..id like to see him take more chances on the bases..steals..hit and runs..something
once again, i question how bad the players want to win (vs. the phillies or yankees you can see it..vs everyone else, i dunno..kinda sounds like the mets have taken on the persona of Ollie “Coin Flip/Dont Count on Me” Perez
We’ve played 12 games, about 1/14 of the season… I mean, come on. The Marlins and the Padres are winning their respective divisions.
(266) yea, I will give he that one but please don’t tell me Beltran when Beltran wanted to go to the Yankees and was willing to take less money but the yankees weren’t interested in Beltran. Omar has made allot of bad deals and I am still waiting for this farm system he was going to develop.
(216) Annie — I am lucky enough to have a copy of “If At First” autographed by Keith Hernandez himself. Of course, I didn’t have it personally signed by him; I was working in a bookstore when it came out, and the guy who wrote it with him used to shop there. He got it signed for me. I probably should pick up the Darling book — saw him on with Jon Stewart the other night.
It’s been missing since 06 the two hot streaks they have since then were a fast start in 07 no pressure and after Jerry took over when they were written off, the minute in either year they became the focus they found ways to wilt now this team seems like its will is broken
keep the faith…ya gotta believe…thats what i am telling myself…Let’s Go Mets!
come on carlos.. get it started
How’s this going to end?-JD
JD- id much rather have murphy batting later in the order… the depth would be much better..little more pop from the bottom of the order
castillo hitting well would be great in the 2
(271) all I can say is you said the same thing the past two years on this blog. Burn me once same on you, burn me twice, shame on me.
Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust a bit outside.
8-4 mets…they explode here in the eighth
come on ryan church
I agree Tom, If its June, fair game… but 12 games are not an indictment of anything.
jim (277): I’ve been saying that since spring training.-JD
now we sac bunt?
John (265) as I see it, Omar gets the players and Jerry has to get them to play the game. Sounds so simple, but it’s not working, is it?
He should have went to second, he had a play
Church gets the sac bunt down. Not exactly an “explosion” but it would be nice to see them BUILD a run…
I’ll take an implosion of the Card’s Pen
Annie (285): No. It’s not. It begins with pitching and they aren’t getting it from their starters outside of Santana. Coin Flip did his thing tonight. Blew a 4-0 lead. Didn’t go five.-JD
how about letting beltran use his speed…maybe steal a base..then have church bunt him over?..ive heard over and over what a good % beltran has stealing..yet he rarely runs for us
what a joke
What was that?
Okay, I’m done being the optimist, that was just retarded
im fed up…carlos beltran..i dont wanna hear that he plays hurt…have a pair and run the catcher over…or at least slide
Now I am truly sick.
HAVE A PAIR AND WANT TO WIN….WHERE IS THE DESIRE
JD, gotta disagree on Jerry.
He took over a moribund, underachieving team and somehow, with no bullpen, took the team to the final game of the season before being eliminated.
He’s got the team actually taking infield and outfield practice, has hitters actually hitting the ball the other way and with a weakened starting rotation, has worked hard to not burn out the bullpen.
How do you not slide? That is a microcosm of the Mets. An assumption of a run. They assume they are better than they are.-JD
what a f***ing joke.
awful AB by castro followed by beltran not having the stones to run someone over or slide
John (276) Quickly I hope…this is torture.
Headline, anybody?
THE SLIDE STARTS HERE
NO SLIDE BEGINS SLIDE
SLIP-SLIDING AWAY
Castro swings at the first pitch and Beltran is lazy… no theis team is fine … you know they scored the second most runs in the league last year
sorry gil, looks like he has built a tema that is once again moribund and underachieving… and once again they do not play fundamentals in any sense of the game. the guy doesn’t even freakin slide into the plate. if the manager has two, beltran doesn’t take the field…..
sick
Wow
Do any of you believe this?
Gil (297): I don’t like his batting order. I don’t like how he sat Church. … Now, I don’t blame him for that play just now by Murphy.-JD
Murphy’s bat isnt worth this
Time to put Sheffield in for defense?
If this were a high school team, Jerry would have them run laps after the game.-JD
murphy will be at first base next yr
Why isnt jeremy reed in the game he is endy this year
Omar has to get the main blame. This team has too many flaws.
JD- then they would never stop running this happens more then it doesnt
(282) fair enough, forget June. We will see in September when it counts.
games tied..and reed isnt a good hitter..but wait they still contrinue to use him to pinch hit in big spots so who the hell knows
tomg- september doesnt matter if youre already out of it…someone forgot to tell willie randolph that when he had comments like we’ll come around…my guys will come thru…yea yea yea…doesnt matter if u arent in it in september
holy coww… the cardinal guy slid into 3rd. isn’t sliding a no no in basebal?
“If Putz can keep this a 1-run game, the Mets will still have a chance in the top of the 9th” — Gary Cohen.
Is therer any part of that we can believe?
and with the lack of fundamentals, BASIC EFFORT, etc… great team ball by the mets
NIce job by advancing the runner. It’s called situational hitting. … This is the type of game that the columnists wrote calling for Willie’s head last year.-JD
game over..excuse my language but fuck it.
Jeff M (319): Well, we can forget about the part of keeping it to one run.-JD
gil, remember last year when rollins played lazy and manuel pulled his lazy butt right out of the game… why didn’t manuel pull beltran’s lazy butt out of the game? oh, we got the wrong manuel… maybe that’s why charlie manuel’s boys have a ring and and jerry’s boys don;t
If Murphy is that important to this offense in a tied game then the offense really has issues because he’s starting to cost runs daily in the field
Harry (324): Nice. I wish I had thought of that. It’s true.-JD
harry-because as of right now the mets dont have any balls and dont want it. that beltran play is the embodiment of this whole team
a lot of talent…dont show the desire, effort, work ethic to get it done
OK, I get it.
The Mets are fundamentally flawed — emphasis on fundamental.
Here’s what’s transpired tonight…
*Two costly slip and falls and a throw to the wrong base by the left-fielder.
*The first-baseman comes off the bag early, costing a double play
*Catcher’s interference to prolong an inning
*Seven walks, including a bases loaded one
*A non-slide into home costs us a run
*Seeing an average of only 11 pitches per inning over the last four innings.
fly ball gets a run nice concept
all things that could have been prevented
Gil (328): All the more reason to make them run laps.-JD
Ron says it’s a “strange game” — the little things that happen: if Beltran had slid, the Mets would have taken the lead, Murphy wouldn’t have been in left, all the little things that depend on something else…
Why is that strange? It’s fundamental. They’ve forgotten all the fundamentals.
John, my first appearance since last season!
This is painful. First, the NYMs have to knock the catcher on his arse if he blocks the plate. No excuse to tiptoe around him. Second, pitchers should be able to run ten miles to get a starting assignment. They have no stamina at all. I love Jerry, but he’s got to rip these guys and give them the word: smash and destroy, or you’ll sit.
324 Beltran made an error in judgment at the last possible second, Harry. You can’t say he wasn’t hustling. He was busting his butt trying to score.
Jeff (216) I have a couple of books from the ‘Keith era’ – his, Tim McCarver’s “Baby I Love it” and Davey Johnson’s “Bats” . No autographs in the books, but I do have a scorecard signed by Timmy.
(317) Jim if you been following my post on here I know. This is the same team I’ve been watching for 2+ years now and nothing has changed. I don’t care how many mangers the mets bring in it’s the same cast of characters. This team has no character, no leaders. This is a very soft team. I was done we this met team after last year. I won’t weaste my time watching this suck ass team. Omar needs to go, it’s as simple as that, fire Omar, this is his team.
Don’t forget, this all started with Perez not doing his job.-JD
Gil he wouldn’t have slipped on either if he broke properly to begin with….. and your forgetting when the game was early which feels like yesterday when they had chances to increase their lead
(335) Annie: signed by Timmy — McCarver or Teufel?
what was that swing
JD, absolutely. They DFA Figueroa, who pitches with all his heart, but they let Mr. 4+ go out there w/o the appropriate mindset or level of fitness. They should skim half his salary for going 4 1/2 innings, no? Grrr.
JD- it all started in october of 2006
(336) tomg: What good does it do to fire Omar now? Is somebody else going to come in and miraculously bring in a new, better bunch of players?
334. i certainly can….. he should have decided to slide the instant he broke. but then agian you might have a point, knowing how fundamentally bad this team is, the on deck guy was probably sleeping, did he give beltran a signal to slide? we’ll never know that. either way you be the go ahead run you don’t know where the ball went you slide. there’s no defense.
Jeff (339) Timmy McCarver
ed (338): You’re right. They missed some chances early. Perez could’ve blown a 6-0 lead instead.-JD
Why is that guy always right up the middle… he’s killing me
jerry should go wild after this game…but he probably wont… id like to see a manager lay into this team..in the clubhouse and in the papers
jim leyland comes to mind
John (337) It always does. Santana is the only reliable pitcher.
(336) ok, well enjoy this crap for years to come because that is what your going to get as long as Omar is the gm.
Put it in the books!
Ending on a little dribbler. How appropriate. This team is one big prostate problem.
Howie has put this game ‘in the books’ and none too soon.
Let’s hope the Mets re-group by tomorrow.
Annie
Nine friggin’ pitches Mets hitters saw that inning. Nine. What a friggin’ joke.
(343)ok, well enjoy this crap for years to come because that is what your going to get as long as Omar is the gm.
this team has pissed me off yet again..unfing real
grow a pair mets…grow a pair
tomg, come on. The team’s sloppy play isn’t Minaya’s fault.
Tonight was a disgrace. Maybe their worst of the season.-JD
JD, don’t forget to help Kevin and me with the email address excahnges.
I agree Gil, its not like if you fire Omar, suddenly Beltran slides into home and Murphy stays on his feet.
JD- I’ll say this Murph is not worth it and they should have signed a left fielder… he should be in AAA learning 1B for next year
tomg (350, 355) You can say that again…
Kevin: Murphy is doing his best Lonnie Smith impression in left field. Maybe he should take over Lonnie’s old nickname, “Skates.”
ed (361): This is two games where his defense directly led to the winning runs.-JD
Its not Omar fault how this team plays but he did construct it and many of us arm chair GM did call whats happening
JD – he’s had few more that werent so obvious
They should’ve taken him out for late-inning defense tonight.-JD
SD game we won but he made that cut off throw whwere he should have had the runner
how would you like to judge the GM if not by wins and losses?? how can omar not be somewhat to blame…i think the players not giving enough is the main problem but they are omars players
At least we know one thing for sure: You can’t blame Citi Field.
ed (366): No question. He also got picked off first and was out at the plate, so this was a tough night for him.-JD
team plays with no “fire”…no emotion…not 100% effort..beltran has to run over molina there..unreal
don’t blame murph…. you guys say don’t blame omar but it was omar who sent murph to arizona fall league to play SECOND BASE…. omar had no intention of cutting castillo and nobody was gonna bite on that contract…., yet he didn’t do anything to get murph ready for the outfield.
We’re not talking about any of this if Coin Flip did his job.-JD
harry- 100% correct
and who signed coin flip to a new deal?? but no1 should blame omar for any o this
ed: I was the one in this group that was advocating trading Murphy when his value was sky-high, for pitching and then using a real left-fielder.
But if Omar traded Murphy, he would’ve gotten crucified for it. So putting Murphy in left was part of the construction.
So was dumping Heilman, Joe Smith and Scott Schoeneweis trading for Putz and signing K-Rod. Do you disagree with those moves?
He dumped Lastings Milledge for two starting players, one of whom, Ryan Church, most of us are fond of. Was that a bad move?
The Mets are playing very bad baseball right now, which is more a function of fundamentals than construction.
lack of heart…thats this team’s problem
Harry (373): He had to know there was no way he was going to unload Castillo, who right now is one of the better players on the team. Go figure.-JD
gil- you are handpicking omar’s good moves…what about basic roster moves he messes up regularly…how about OP for 36 mill? how about the bullpen the last two yrs? how about lack of SP depth…as i said earlier he has done well with big moves but small ones not so much at all
Jerry’s gonna have to start yanking Murphy after one inning for defensive purposes.
im not a huge fan of omar at this point but i dont hate him either…this team has me so frustrated right now..lack of heart is all i can say
They need the scrappy. They ain’t got the scrappy.
too frustrating…lack of heart and desire
dont know if thats something you can find…i sure hope we can..come on mets
good night
Well, it’s too early to panic. They’ll have to think about making a trade for pitching at the deadline.-JD
Of course, if they suddenly went on a 9-game tear, this would all be forgotten. But this team doesn’t give the slightest hint of being capable of a winning streak.
maybe they need a wally backman or jim leyland embarassing them publically..maybe get some emotion..ugh who knows
jim: Of course Omar’s made some bad moves, one of which will certainly blow up in our faces, if Tim Redding ever is activtated.
Would I have signed Castillo to the number of years and amount of dollars Omar did?
No.
But what has Castillo done wrong this year?
Would I have signed Ollie for the next three years?
Not when Derek Lowe was out there — and when he was, Omar made him a competitive offer.
But I’m still not ready to give up on Ollie.
Livan Hernandez has pitched fairly well. The newly constructed bullpen leads MLB in ERA.
It’s not the construction. It’s the execution.
I don’t understand the argument at all. What is heart but a measure of passion for the game… okay, the player that faces the most criticism about his production with RISP is David Wright. This is because he “presses” so much… Does he have too much heart? Does Daniel Murphy not have “heart”? Does he not try his utmost? Is he not a scrappy hitter? Heart, concentration, and human error are completely different things.
(388) “It’s the execution.”
Gil, sounds like lots of folks here are ready for one!
kevin- a guy not having the balls to run over a catcher to get the lead…thats not having heart.
jim: As much as I loved Bobby V when he was in charge, his emotional hissyfits didn’t do the Mets much good.
I don’t want a manager managing with the fans’ emotions. I want someone on an even keel who won’t do what we hardcore fans do — panic when things go wrong and live and die with every game.
kevin (390): I don’t think heart is an issue. Definitely not for Wright anyway. At times they aren’t good enough. Too many times. They have flaws that are mostly pitching related.-JD
john ( 379/374)
OP pitched to form. I do not blame him because like livan they are giving us what we expect.
castillo- i would never have thought anyone would use that sentence. wow.
390 Jeff: LOL! You win the prize for bst line of the night!
Gil (392): Joe Torre never threw any fits. At least not publicly. If Manuel is half the manager I think he can be, he’ll read them the riot act.-JD
388/389- i think this team has the talent to compete..but i do think it is not wanting it bad enough..i dont see any emotion or will to win…i dont see them going the extra mile to win a game like tonight..so many stupid mistakes..no concentration…no extra effort…lacking heart rightn ow..lets hope they find it
Yes Jeff, great line.-JD
JD/Kevin- how is heart not an issue? did you see beltran tonight? how are more people not shocked not even about a lack of slide….RUN HIM OVER!..want it! running him over there is the correct baseball play and the play that was needed to WIN the game…show you want it..the mets dont
Gil, I agree with you. What is so frustrating about this team is that I LIKE most of these players, and I LIKE the manager. The fact that a good group can’t seem to put it together is unfathomable. But after a game like this, a good butt-kicking by the manager is practically required. It’s like they didn’t have a long enough spring training. Where have they all been?
When asked what bothered him most, Manuel talked about leaving runners on and Perez not holding the lead.-JD
392- the team got to the world series under valentine with NO WHERE NEAR the talent of the last few years,…maybe that emotion did help
i hope manuel said a lot more than that to the players
JD: The true master was Davey Johnson.
Two disasters in a row at home in the ’86 Series and how does he respond? Gives the team the day off.
Wonder if it’d work with this crew?
JD/Kevin- how is heart not an issue? did you see beltran tonight? how are more people not shocked not even about a lack of slide….RUN HIM OVER!..want it! running him over there is the correct baseball play and the play that was needed to WIN the game…show you want it..the mets dont
this team needs an asskicking..not more cuddling
jim (399): Some guys don’t have the heart or stones. Perez is one of them. … I don’t think heart was the issue on the Beltran play. It was a bad decision on his part. He assumed the run.-JD
JD I would agree with that, but to answer some of the criticism of not signing Lowe, he is no savior. He is a slightly above average pitcher who is getting paid more than Ollie and is damn near 40. He pitched in a pitcher’s ball back for the last four years and faced the anemic Padres and Giants multiple starts a year. I would not have ever paid what the Yankees did for Burnett. Garland, Wolf, etc are all fodder.
i dont want beltran running him over.
i want him to hook slide and score. i dont want beltran out for half the season.
Kevin (408): There wasn’t a whole lot out there pitching wise. You had to figure they were going to re-sign Perez. He’s just not that good. He gets worse as the game goes on.-JD
i disagree…the plate was blocked..if you wanna score you run him over…dont see the heart or stones from the metsies
400 Jeff, I think we have to qualify that statement. The team can’t seem to put it all together after 13 games. Remember ’99? The Mets never got it in gear until the second half, then played some great baseball.
This team will get it together eventually. But it must show the dedication and discipline to play the game the right way.
dave (409): No reason to run him over. The slide was the right play.-JD
well goodnight all…sorry my salty attitude tonight…team has me very frustrated
i think this team needs to show they want it…get pissed and lets go on a run..no matter what ill always be rooting and wanting and i want them to show the same perseverance and want to win
goodnight all
as always..lets go mets
beautiful thing about baseball..they play again tomorrow.
I would rather lose the game then lose Beltran for 3 months… Its April.
i think chase utley is running him over…he sure has hell would have scored there..i just want to see the fire from our mets
It is way too early to say the team has found its personality. Way too early. But, there are disturbing trends. They don’t put teams away and their starting pitching is spotty at best after Santana. … They should have run away with this game.-JD
You are what you are and the Mets are a .500 team.-JD
i know its one game..but these its only one game nights add up..i want to see the desire and need to win
saying its april was fine for me the last 2 yrs..not anymore..as JD has said they players assume runs or think theyre better than they are
please show some DESIRE mets
JD, wait a minute. Oliver doesn’t have the stones? Come on. Who manned up in the 2006 NLCS when Steve Trachsel turned into a jelly doughnut? Ollie. He started the most pressure-packed game of that season and allowed only one run in six innings and gave the Mets every chance to win the pennant. He’s been struggling badly. I believe he can turn it around.
412 – Gil: Sure, I have confidence that **eventually** they will put it together. But of course, in ’99 it was too late. And the experience of the last two years has us all feeling very uneasy to start the season… we know that just a few more wins now could make the difference at the end, AND we want to see them come out with some fire and just put everybody else away early, so that kind of finish won’t be an issue. Instead, it’s just… more of the same.
Gil (420): Coin Flip is a .500 pitcher. Sure, he’s won some big games. But, he’s lost a lot of others he should have won. How do you not get through five with a four-run lead.-JD
well goodnight all…sorry my salty attitude tonight…team has me very frustrated
i think this team needs to show they want it…get pissed and lets go on a run..no matter what ill always be rooting and wanting and i want them to show the same perseverance and want to win
goodnight all
as always..lets go mets
beautiful thing about baseball..they play again tomorrow.
well, I’ve had it. Thunderstorm’s passing through, the satellite just went out, and the power’s probably next. ‘Night!
Jeff M (421): A loss in April counts just as much as one in September. I can think of three or four they should have won but didn’t.-JD
…and maybe by tomorrow, we can figure out why all of jim bmore’s posts get through twice!
I can definitely say these guys work hard. I’ve seen it in spring training and seen them take extra hitting. It just doesn’t always translate into winning.-JD
Jeff, of course. Dude, all of us on this blog took last year and the year before and the year before that REALLY hard.
Hell, I was screaming at the TV Sunday because Jerry didn’t hit Castillo for Tatis and have him sacrifice. My dad and I argued about it, with my dad saying it was only April and I countered, “tell me that in October, when we’re bitching about missing out on the post-season by one measly game!”
I screamed at my TV in ’07 watching Tom Glavine piss away the last game and screamed at the TV last year watching Scott Schoeneweis and Luis Ayala piss away the last game.
Somewhere, somehow, maybe there’s truth in the saying that what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. I hope that’ll rub off on this team.
sorry about that …dunno why its doing it.. goodnight all
JD, don’t forget to email me with Kevin’s email address and him with mine, dude. We’re your Central Florida brigade!
I mean honestly, I don’t know how the majority of the people in this forum make it through the year without losing it. I am as diehard as they come about the Mets and I get frustrated daily. But this is a marathon, you have to let the losses and the horrible plays go. If we can’t make it through April without calling for Omar’s head and damning Ollie, Murphy, etc, I don’t know how anyone will get to September.
Gil (428): Speaking of pinch-hitting. I didn’t like the decision to hit Alex Cora in that spot. Where’s Tatis?-JD
432 Kevin: My addiction to “Lost” keeps me sane in the midst of Mets madness.
Are you a Magic fan Gil? If they lose tomorrow night, now that will be depressing.
I don’t know if I can take another playoff loss and a mets loss again on the same day. Sunday was terrible.
kevin (431): Amazing thing, we always get to September. Frazzled for sure, but we get there.-JD
432 JD: I agree. Alex Cora’s on the roster for his defense. Speaking of defense, seems like an ideal time to give Jeremy Reed a start in left tomorrow.
Yeah I know, and as horrible as we feel tonight, its all multiplied by a 1000 at that point. Baseball is a cruel mistress.
Kevin: Hafta admit, I’m not a Magic fan. Originally, I’m a Knicks fan, but when I lived in San Diego from ’97 to ’07, I started cheering for the Lakers…
Gil (437): I disagree. It would come off as a panic move and lack of confidence in Murphy. Could be a setback. But, I’d have him out of the game for defense after the seventh in a close game.-JD
Gil (439): The Lakers? Say it ain’t so. Have been a Celtics fan all my life (back in the Havlicek era).-JD
Ah man, you cheered on Shaq after he abandoned this small pond Orlando…
JD, I’M panicked with Murphy in left field.
He makes Dave Kingman look like a gold glover.
You think they’ll squeeze by the bulls without Garnett JD?
He’s no Todd Hundley…
Kevin: Well, remember, I’m brand new to Orlando, so never really had any allegiance to the Magic. JD: yeah, we’ve been over my basketball affinity.
kevin (444): Yes, I do. They can steal one in Chicago and get the home court back.-JD
All right, everyone.
I’m turning in.
As my dad likes to say about the Mets after a tough loss — as he so often did in my youth — “we’ll get ‘em tomorrow.”
You should see people panic here in O-Town with the Magic losing the first game. Its like the season is lost.
Same here. Good night all.
kevin (449): Saw Springsteen at the O-Rena.-JD
Good night all.-JD
Oh really? Was the sound quality awful?
kevin (453): It wasn’t that bad. Plus, I knew all the words. It was a good show.-JD