What if?

Kazmir: What if the Mets won that trade?

Kazmir: What if the Mets won that trade?

It goes without saying the Scott Kazmir trade was disastrous for the Mets. But, imagine for a moment, the trade worked and Rick Peterson was able to fix the very damaged Victor Zambrano.

Let’s say the Mets turned it around in 2004 and made a run at the playoffs. They were four games under .500 at the time of the trade and finished the season 20 games under. That brought the end of Jim Duquette as general manager and ushered in Omar Minaya.

Would Minaya have come if the Mets finished that season as a competitive team? With Minaya came Pedro Martinez, then Carlos Beltran, then Carlos Delgado. It’s interesting to wonder what might have happened had Zambrano panned out.

We all know what happened with Kazmir.

13 thoughts on “What if?

  1. The Mets would have continued strategy of paying $10 million for mediocre pieces of garbage rather than pay $15 million for the super star difference making players.
    That simple…
    Similar to the way the Mariners are now.

  2. If Duquette somehow was prevented from trading Kazmir, we never would have had Omar and the players he brought over–as you mentioned.

    But if Duquette continued on, he eventually would have made another dumb trade. Like getting rid of Reyes or Wright.

    So even though we only made the playoffs one year, I don’t think we would have even done that, under Duquette.

  3. Wow, this website is grammatically-challenged. It changes a dash (represented by two hyphens on a keyboard) to a single hyphen.

    They’re not the same. A single hyphen can represent a dash only if there are spaces before and after it!


  4. Hmm, well are we sayin what happens if we kept kazmir? Well I would assume we would have also kept wigginton and peterson for Benson, and assume we’d have cameron instead of beltran. And we also probably wouldnt have traded for Delgado so we would have had Mike Jacobs still. So our core lineup would be Reyes-Wright-Wiggy-Jacobs-Cameron, With Milledge still. As for the rest of the team who knows but with those bats and Kazmir the foundation would have been decent.

  5. If I remember correctly some people were criticizing Kazmir because he was small and it is not possible for a man standing less than 6′ can throw a good fastball more than twice.

    Also Zambrano had a bad elbow and the Mets knew that.

    Exactly how is that a good trade when the year before Kazmir was UNTOUCHABLE? They panicked and it was a bad trade.

    End of story.

  6. Worst trade in baseball history as far as I’m concerned. For the simple fact that the Mets didn’t benefit in the short or long term. Many of these prospect trades end up being bad down the line, but usually the team that gets the major leaguer has the benefit for at least the short term. Not this deal though, Kazmir actually pitched better in 2004 than Zambrano did. Everyone knew the Mets got ripped off from the moment it happened. And while not as bad, the Milledge trade could come back to hurt as well.

  7. Kazmir throws way too many pitches in too short of time. Maybe he can get more control of his pitches in the future, but since we made that trade, the team has become relevant again. it was 4 years ago, time to move on

    Side note: the trade happened the night of my rehearsal dinner for my wedding. Needless to say my wife was pissed since all the guys were concentrating on the trade and not the dinner

    Maybe we can bring him back when he is a free agent in a few years

  8. JD–(Hmmmm–same initials as Jim Duquette):

    Do you know, or do you think we’ll EVER know, the full story of the trade?

    I’ve heard so many versions of which members of the hierarchy were responsible and which were opposed that it’s hard to come to a conclusion.

    More to the point, if Duquette were the prime mover it casts a different light on the situation than his being opposed but forced into it.

    Certainly, if he were opposed, he shouldn’t have been made the scapegoat.

  9. Franco — You should have never gotten married…the trade was an omen.

    Seriously, I agree that time will be the real determining factor for Kazmir. Right now, he’s a guy who’s throwing 110 pitches to get through the sixth inning. He’s relying heavily on a slider (which tends to tax the elbow) and has lost about 3-4 mph off his much-hyped fastball. He reminds me of Ollie.

  10. I maybe could live with Kazmir as a Ray if the Mets had gotten fair(er) value in return.

    If it had been Zambrano AND Carl Crawford or Zambrano AND Rocco Baldelli…

    Nope. I take it all back. Kazmir leaving is the 2nd (or 3rd) stupidest trade in NYM history and nothing received in return would sweeten the tast.

  11. Charlie, There were so many bad trades in the 1970’s. While Kazmir might one day end up being as bad, the book is still not finished with him. As Tiffany points out, he is an injury risk. The 3 worst:
    1. Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi
    2. Tom Seaver for 4 bums
    3. Amos Otis for the drug addicted Joe Foy.

    All those players were perennial All-Stars. Kazmirs been to one or two. Time will tell.

  12. Yes, they were all horrible. But then there are the ones that come to mind in the 80s–
    Keith for Neal Allen/Rick Ownbey
    Gary C for Hubie Brooks and 3 scrubs.
    Hojo for Terrell (?)
    El Sid
    Bobby Ojeda
    Ron Darling
    David Cone for Ed Hearn

    Ya win some, ya lose some.