About Last Night ….

Someday, Jon Niese might become a viable major league pitcher. That he started such a critical game last night indicates the seriousness of the Mets’ pitching woes and I’ve drawn these conclusions:

Maine: Don't risk him in pen.

Maine: Don't risk him in pen.


1. John Maine is too valuable for them to screw around with in the bullpen considering his health issues. He’s not going to be the difference. They will not win the World Series this year. Shut him down and have him be ready for spring training.

2. Pedro Martinez has had a Hall of Fame career. But, those days are gone. If he comes back next year, it should be as the fifth starter. They should cut ties with Martinez, but I’m entertaining his return because I anticipate Oliver Perez’s departure and Niese not being ready.

3. It is a sad state of affairs Perez will become richer than beyond his wildest dreams for being mediocre. He’s pitched well this year in parts, but his record screams mediocrity.

4. Of course, the records of Maine, Perez, Johan Santana and even Mike Pelfrey are below what they should be because of a bullpen that blew 29 saves. The pen has to be overhauled.

12 thoughts on “About Last Night ….

  1. caryn: if Maine pitches a 1-2-3 inning in a hold or save situation tonight would you feel the same way? Would you rather see Blownweiss/Heilman in that same spot tomorrow instead of Maine or will you be saying, “where was Maine? He was lights out last night! What’s Jerry doing!” Just because the Mets screwed up the Church fiasco, doesn’t mean Maine’s health is in jeopardy by pitching an inning out of the pen. He is throwing 20-30 pitch simulated games and side sessions, they would not risk him if they weren’t positive more damage could be done. It’s a pain tolerance issue at this point, nothing more, nothing less.

  2. Niese showed no confidence in his fastball last night. He has a nice curve, but after the first time through, they were looking for it and game over. I think they will be very cautious with Maine after the Church fiasco, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Pedro has been a big disappointment this year. I dont see him coming back.

  3. It’s not worth jeopardizing his future or his health. He thinks he’s up to it, but how do we know that he’s not just taking one for the team?

    I just worry that he will push himself too much because he is needed (no doubt there) and then we lose him for an entire season.

    Too many injuries this year. Blame me for being skittish.

  4. I’m not too sure that Maine’s future isn’t in the bullpen. He throws too many pitches per inning to become a solid 7-inning starter. And he’s got an effective arsenal of pitches that could make him a dominant (think Smoltz-like) closer. Also, his best trait might just be what JD affectionately refers to as stones.

  5. Regarding Pedro: I wouldn’t being him back because of the deference issue. With anyone else who was underperforming, you could skip his spot in the rotation or send him to the pen to work things out — but not Pedro. And that’s a problem when he’s not hitting his spots and is serving up dingers at an alarming rate.

  6. Tiffany: Maine lacks a true “out” pitch. It’s why he can’t seem to put away batters. Not sure if that is closer type material.

  7. Tiffany: You’ve watched him pitch this year. Throw the “K-rate” out the window. He’s had too many 3-2 counts and the inability to put batters away which has led to his high pitch counts.

  8. Caryn: Thank you. The guy has a bone spur in his shoulder. Get him well for next season. It’s exactly like the Ryan Church thing.-JD

  9. I might think of letting Maine come back this season if he was effective.

    He has problems. Let them fix his arm issues for next year. His season is over. He is not the savior as a starter or reliever.

  10. A good rule of thumb for pitching dominance is more strikeouts than hits allowed — something Maine has done consistently.

    As for deep pitch counts, that’s probably more reflective of foul balls than not having an out pitch; to be sure, the K totals suggest that he’s striking them out, but taking a few too many pitches to do it. He wouldn’t have those pitch-count concerns in the pen.